Pair Rob, Pistol-Whip Orange Man

Police say man was walking near intersection of Valley Road and Dean Street Sunday evening when backpack, cellphones taken.

West Orange police are looking for two men who robbed, then pistol-whipped, a 23-year-old Orange man at the intersection of Valley Road and Dean Street Sunday evening.  

Police said the victim was walking near Moshe Auto Body at around 10:20 p.m. when he saw two men wearing black-hooded sweatshirts standing in the parking lot.

As the Orange man approached Dean Street, he told police he felt what he believed to be a handgun placed against the back of his head.

The man said he was then told by the man holding the gun, “Give me everything.” The man with the gun told the other man to take the Orange man’s backpack – containing food and a cell phone – as well as a wallet and a second cell phone from the man’s pocket, according to police reports. 

After retrieving all of the items, the man holding the gun struck the Orange man in the left front temple and both men fled west on Valley Road on foot towards Kingsley Street, police said.

Gary Englert January 18, 2013 at 04:36 AM
john anthony prignano: Actually, what I confirmed is simply your baseline number of 280 domestic violence incidents (in 1997) and added that they decreased to 157 incidents in 2011. Bias crimes are also tracked (3 in 1997 and 3 in 2011) but, again, these are not included in the Crime Index Totals though they are tracked. I'll leave it to the criminoligists/criminal justice experts to explain just why that is but, common sense tells me there are likely a lot of grey areas in the reporting, identifying and assessing of both.
David Peart January 18, 2013 at 06:00 PM
Ok, nearly half of the reported crime, and maybe bias crimes are simply not the issue they were in 1997 when some folks believed it was acceptable behavior. Keep in mind you suggested domestic violence incidents weren't included in the statistics, when they clearly are. Was it your intent to mislead? You suggestion that domestic violence incidents weren't included in the 2011 FBI/UCR's, is absurd. If this is your best, then you don't have much of an argument.
David Peart January 18, 2013 at 06:06 PM
What does that mean to you? If a police officer has reasonable suspicion a crime has been committed, there are legal options at their disposal to deal with the matter. A "stop and frisk policy" separate from established law, as I suspect you recommend, would likely be unnecessary and problematic.
Tom January 19, 2013 at 12:18 AM
What are the statistics on armed robberies? Only armed robbery
Gary Englert January 19, 2013 at 03:07 AM
Tom: In 1997, there were 59 robberies; in 2011 there were 43, Aggravated assaults went from 54 (1997) down to 30 (2011); burglaries from 359 to 199; larcenies from 661 to 523; motor vehicle thefts from 551 to 77. Anyone feeling less safe than they did 15 years ago has no factual basis for it. We certainly do NOT have more crime, just the swifter and more widespread reporting of the crime that does happen due to the Internet.
Tom January 19, 2013 at 09:47 PM
I find that hard to believe. Has the method of reporting changed? Technology has change dramatically All calls and reports now are reported accurately. Is it possible that the numbers were being fudged back in 1997 possibly because there was no method of tracking the information?
Gary Englert January 20, 2013 at 12:01 AM
Tom G: Yes, technology has changed but, the WOPD was computerized in 1997 and an Excel spreadsheet is faily basic and straightforward programing. Fudging the numbers for these reports is illegal and, notwithstanding there's not a hint of evidence to support such a thing, I rather doubt anyone was willing to put themselves at risk by cooking the books. The fact is that technology has had a practical effect on reducing crime in any number of ways. Automobiles has gotten increasingly more difficult to steal in the last fifteen years and the proliferation of cell phones (most with cameras) over the same period has likely dissuaded many would be criminals from acting on their impulses...as its far, far easier to get caught on video or for someone to alert the police. If you'd care to share an e-mail address, I'd be happy to send you the complete UCR (1997-2011) for your review.
Tom January 20, 2013 at 01:51 AM
Sometimes statistics are not a true reflection of reality. Every store owner I have spoken to in the valley,main street area,Lourdes section,Washington heights areas are of the opinion that the area is worse now than it was in 1997...and think it is getting worse. If you get a chance, I would like to hear your thoughts after you have spoken with the merchants in these areas.
Tom January 20, 2013 at 03:33 AM
David, That is not what I recommend. It means to me that if someone is acting in a suspicious manner BEFORE a crime is committed. That Police could/would "Stop and Frisk" and check for warrants... It would be used as tool to prevent crime.
Gary Englert January 20, 2013 at 05:35 AM
Tom: The "reality" (both in 1997 and today) is pretty straightforward; the police receive a call for service or take their own initiatiave in some matter, action is taken, an assessment is made, the incident is classified by type and appropriately recorded. There are voice and video recordings and written reports that pretty much detail it all...and the volume of incidents of virtually every type has decreased, notwithstanding your subjective assertions concerning "every" merchant you've spoken to over a pretty wide area. Has there been some shift in the Township's demographics along our eastern border? Sure but, just because people don't look, speak, dress or play the same music they did 15 years ago doesn't mean the area is more dangerous as it is not. I don't need to take my own survey to know that to be true. Again, if you'd like to see the official data that is avavilable, provide an e-mail address and I'll send you the UCR spreadsheet for the last 15 years.
David Peart January 20, 2013 at 06:44 AM
Then why bother to ask what the stats are, if your "feelings" are all that matter. What's to say the motive is behind your feelings, or the ever predictable claim that some anonymous person conveniently identified as a merchant "told you." Crime is down nationally since those times, those are the facts. Crime is down in West Orange since 1997, again a fact. If reality is too much to accept, you might want to delve a little deeper and ask why.
Tom January 20, 2013 at 03:21 PM
Insinuating people may be bigots is not an appropriate response and is a form of Bullying and shouting down others. My suggestion is rather than the bureaucratic approach of reports and suggesting it is because of how people dress and the music they listen to...is why people believe they are less safe. Why not go out and talk to the people? Talk to the police officers...
Gary Englert January 20, 2013 at 04:34 PM
Tom: The single salient point being made here is that you are willing to disregard statistical data compiled in concert with both the public (that reports crime) and the police, who either respond to those reports or promulgate their own through their own independent action. The point being (and notwithstanding the verifications provide by voice/video recordings and written a reports) that public-public interplay creates an automatic system of checks and balances. Has there been any suggestion from anyone that a crime they reported has not been addressed by the WOPD and that documentation reflecting the action takens isn't on file and available? Not that I've heard of. Again, I'll be happy to provide a copy of the UCR (1997-2011) if you'll provide the means of getting it to you. Until you take the time to review it, it's rather pointless to suggest some unprofessional, independent and very subjective merchant survey will/should change anyone's opinion on the matter. "Why not talk to the people? Talk to police officers..." There's really not a whole hell of a lot of need to as the UCRs are a summary of the real life experience of both. What is it that you don't grasp about that?
Tom January 20, 2013 at 05:41 PM
What I can grasp is The statistics are the statistics and I can accept that. Statistics are Never the whole picture. What I ask is that you keep an open mind and go out and speak to the people 1st hand.
john anthony prignano January 20, 2013 at 06:35 PM
David Peart Thank you ! This is exactly why I challenged Englert .He excluded 2 categories of crimes that were reported in 1997. As you so brilliantly state, "Keep in mind you suggested domestic violence weren't{wasn't} included in the statistics, when they clearly were .Was it you{r} intent to mislead? Your suggestion that domestic violence incidents weren't included in the 2011 FBI/UCR'S{ plural,not possessive} is absurd" When I challenged Englert's crime - reduction percentage, he then included the domestic violence and bias crime numbers.He definitely had access to them prior to my challenge.I don't know if he initially intended to mislead people, but it does make one wonder. If I may be so bold, I don't think we can learn anything by speculating on any change in how bias crimes might have been "regarded" in 1997 and how they may be regarded today. Also, I must respectfully disagree with you if you believe 40% is "nearly half.". But again,thank you for supporting my position, which I am certain is correct. .
Gary Englert January 20, 2013 at 06:36 PM
Tom: The statistics (in this case, the UCRs) are an organized summary of factual data compiled from real life experience and involving hundreds of people and the professionals who respond to the relevent incidents. That is far more compelling than an informal and subjective survey conducted by any one of us independently. Whereas I do speak to people throughout town, you haven't viewed the data I've been offering, yet choose to dismiss it without having done so. That's hardly reaying on scientific method which remains the best way to analyze anything and reach some conclusion or solution. We are talking about crime and whether or not there is more or less of it...and that amounts to classifying and counting it...or, in a nutshell, compiling statistics. People are hearing about more crime than ever before because of the Internet but, that certainly doesn't mean there's more of it because there simply isn't.
Gary Englert January 20, 2013 at 07:05 PM
john anthony prignano: While tracked, the FBI's UCR do not inlcude domestic violence and bias crimes in its Crime Index Totals for various and sundry reasons they can explain.
Tom January 20, 2013 at 07:22 PM
Don't know really how it got off topic. I suggested that West Orange implement a stop and frisk policy to protect the citizens Then out came the statistics blah blah blah 1997... Somehow suggesting that we should be more tolerant of the violent crime that is occurring in West Orange. I would just like to say that I would support a stop and frisk policy that would be used as a preventive tool
Jack Durschlag (Editor) January 20, 2013 at 08:53 PM
OK, Tom...so you support a stop and frisk policy in West Orange. How would it work? Who would be targeted? Who would decide/enforce when this policy would be in effect? Would it work from sundown to sunrise or involve a 24/7/365 policy? What kind of rights/redress would someone who is stopped have? Say an individual is stopped and frisked and nothing is found. What's the procedure then? Does the person doing the stop and frisk let them go with an apology? I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to hear about this "preventive tool."
Tom January 20, 2013 at 09:10 PM
I would first study the "Stop and Frisk"procedures used in NYC. I then would modify (if needed) to fit our needs in West Orange. We don't need to reinvent the wheel.
john anthony prignano January 20, 2013 at 09:17 PM
First, it should read DOES not include. or UCRs. I have a serious question.Why aren't very serious crimes like luring and and terroristic threats listed? Thefts are reported. Do the powers - that - be think that in the scheme of things,a theft is a more serious crime than a luring and a terroristic threat ? .
Gary Englert January 20, 2013 at 09:31 PM
Tom: If you believe we "got off topic," it was your doing by asking the following: "What are the statistics on armed robberies? Only armed robbery..." The point still remains that you initial premise ("It has become unsafe to walk the streets of West Orange.") is simply wrong as all crime has been generally in decline for the past 15 years; violent crime in particular. And yet again, I'll be happy to provide you with the UCR soreadsheet if you provide me with an e-mail address. Thats said, nobody is suggesting that anyone should be tolerant of any crime, let alone violent crime yet, we are all better off knowing and dealing with the reality of a situation and neither embelishing it nor minimizing it. Police action is governed by the need for probable cause, whether it be to enter a residence, stop a motor vehicle and/or take someone into custody (even temporarily) to "frisk" them. The fact there are reasonable restraints on law enforcement served to protect each of us and our Constitutional rights. There is absolutely nothing happening in West Orange with such frequency that the kind of martial law you are suggesting is even remotely necessary,
Gary Englert January 20, 2013 at 09:55 PM
Tom: We don't need to institute anything there is no compelling need for and a portion of the "stop and frisk" policy in NYC (specifically related to trespassing outside residential buildings) has been deemed unconstitutional by a federal court judge. Given probable cause, our police already have the ability to detain and even search someone when necessary.
Alan Sanders January 21, 2013 at 01:01 AM
I really wonder if there's any way to cut down crime around Main St. other than turning our east flank into the West Bank. The mayor announced a dedicated team to patrol this area. Is it operative? Did it help? Crimes are so infrequent that other than virtually constant visible police presence I think that the reality is that the authorities are unable to provide absolute security.
David Peart January 21, 2013 at 02:58 AM
I insinuate nothing. You're the one rejecting the objective, documented evidence that crime is down in favor of your unsubstantiated claim that the merchants believe differently. What does ignoring reality in favor of innuendo make you? I don't need to talk to the police, or your anonymous merchants, because I have eyes, ears and the professional experience to know when someone is blowing smoke up my shirt. I have for years spoken to merchants I've patronized along that road, and the complaints I've heard have nothing to do with what you're selling here. If these merchants you claim to have interviewed and concluded this consensus exists, believe that they are less safe, it should be very easy for you to make that point here, as you claim you've been privy to their complaints. Instead, you seem to believe you can silence any verifiable argument to the contrary by placing that burden on those whose opinions challenge your assertions. "Why not go out and talk to the people?" What people? You've identified none. "Talk to the police officers..." What makes you so presumptuous as to assume that I don't?
David Peart January 21, 2013 at 04:24 AM
Tom, What you describe is called reasonable suspicion. It's a legal term and grounds for what is called a stop question and frisk. If someone is behaving in a suspicious manner, the police have a right to stop and question that person. Should that persons responses and/or appearance elevate the police officers suspicions, a frisk would then be warranted. You cannot under any constitutionally legitimate stop and frisk policy, simply stop someone and check them for warrants. It would depend on a whole host of factors that include but are not limited to time of day, conditions, hours of operation, and yes, even how they are dressed. Those tools already exist and are already at the legal disposal of the police. The notion that the police need a free hand to search whomever they want, whenever they want, is at best misguided.
Gary Englert January 21, 2013 at 04:23 PM
Alan Sanders: It's a given that in order for police to serve as a deterent to crime they must be in enough proximity to an actor that he/she curtails their criminal impulses as a result. Surely, there are insufficient police in any jurisdiction, anywhere, to provide that kind of absolute security and West Orange is no exception. While I believe the WOPD is already providing additional resources along our eastern border, it will take some time to assess how effective that effort has been as comparative statistics will need to be compiled and compared. The Township is also moving forward with the installation of a camera system along the Main Street corrido, which will certainly enhance police capabilities and to supress criminal activity as its presence becomes known.
john anthony prignano January 21, 2013 at 08:51 PM
Essex County's Patrol Division: Patrol Division officers are charged with the critical responsibility of patrolling and enforcing the laws of Essex County.The Patrol Division's responsibilities encompass a wide range of incidents and calls to service including assisting all municipalities in Essex County when called upon .When not answering calls,the Patrol Division pro active policing in order to maintain safety in Essex County. Our volunteer,fully trained, non- paid deputy division augments the efforts of our patrol division in the field. The armed bank robbery occurred on a county road. He escaped on foot.The West Orange Police, the Verona Police, the Patrol Division and the volunteer members of the Patrol Division could not prevent his escape or find him .The armed robbery of a gas station occurred on a county road, and the robber escaped on foot down another county road .The West Orange Police, the Orange Police, the County Patrol Division ,and the volunteer patrol Division couldn't prevent his escape. Main Street is a county road.Does the county maintain real presence, or it is more in the nature a token effort. According to a police union leader, Newark has a tough time putting 3 cars on the street in each ward on any given shift. My brother -in -law was a Newark Police Officer . I once said to him ,"1350 cops seems like a decent number." He said, "That's only on paper.Terminal leave, injured on duty, testifying in court, desk duty, personal days, sick days,.
john anthony prignano January 21, 2013 at 09:00 PM
suspensions, waivers, and on and on ." Newark is down to 1,000 officers .They are still granting waivers.The result? Difficulty in putting 3 cars on the street in each ward per shift .Two questions: Why can't the Fire Department{s} be a meaningful street presence, and has the West Orange Girl's Varsity Soccer Coach been granted a waiver,so that he doesn't have to work as a police officer if the police duty hours conflict with his coaching responsibilities?
john anthony prignano January 21, 2013 at 09:08 PM
An article on Patch said several police officers must man school crossings because of a shortage of crossing guards.The article stated that once the officers are at the crossing locations they can't leave, which can delay response time.


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