Stolen Infinity Outruns Police on Rt. 280
Man evades pursuing West Orange Police heading into Newark in stolen Infinity G37XS.
A man stole an idling car in West Orange Jan. 24 and evaded police on Route 280 heading into Newark last week, police said.
According to West Orange police reports, the car, a white Infinity G37, was reported stolen from an Arverne Road residence at about 7:30 p.m. on Jan. 24.
The owner told police, he started his car in his driveway to warm up with the keys inside and doors unlocked. The owner told police he heard the car pull out of his driveway, before seeing it head east on Arverne Road.
West Orange police spotted the car on Northfield Avenue heading toward Route 280, officials said, but followed undetected behind the car and ran the license plate. When police attempted to pull the car over, the driver sped off.
Another officer pursued the Infinity on Whittingham Road entering Route 280 East, but the driver elluded police.
Police said the car was last seen exiting onto First Street in Newark heading South. Officers searched the area, but were unable to locate it, police said.
Tom
9:33 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
The criminals are out there lurking!
I think We need to implement new police and resident procedures to deter the criminals that think they can prey on West Orange residents with impunity.
I support a form of a "Stop and Frisk" policy for West Orange
badbul
10:09 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Great, then let them "Stop and Frisk" you, your wife and kids and leave the rest of us alone. Because I'm not down for having my Fourth Amendment taken away from me.
Ken
8:09 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
How on earth would a "Stop and Frisk" policy help avoid car thefts? First of all, it's likely unconstitutional and would eventually result in the town losing a huge lawsuit, but even if that weren't true, and even if stop & frisk had proven to be successful in NYC (which it really hasn't been), this isn't NYC. It's the suburbs. We don't have thousands of officers on our crowded streets; we have dozens, and the streets are typical for suburbia: largely empty of pedestrians. Do you think the car thief walked here from Newark and could have been stopped & frisked at any point during his 2 hour trek? It's sort of infinitely more likely that he came here in another car.
The police are well-trained in and already have the ability to stop and investigate suspicious people or activity. The key, as you yourself mention down-thread, is that everyone needs to look out for their neighbors and call the police when they see something suspicious. WOPD does a fantastic job, and they respond to calls all day; they're not a hide-in-the-bushes-waiting-for-speeders outfit. I've called myself when I've seen something off, and they've been more than happy to have someone swing by and take a look.
(By the way, in the specific case of car theft, how about a bait car? Seems like that would catch way more car thieves than randomly frisking pedestrians would.)
Tom
11:18 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
West Orange residents
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING
Remember to get a description of the person example color of clothes, Hat, race, fat,skinny,short,tall,age...color of car,make,model,plate number. Any of the information can be helpful!
To report call WOPD at 973 325 4000 or 911 for emergency
David Peart
11:18 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Just like the transparent ideologue he has already proven himself to be, Tom has no idea nor any concern for how such a program would be implemented. There is no criteria in his mind beyond stop any individual he has decided is a criminal. People "lurking" about would constitute the "reasonably suspicious" behavior police can articulate as justification to stop, question and possibly frisk someone whose behavior has risen to that level of suspicion. That legal authority already exists in the powers police have to combat crime, so what other "new police and resident procedures" would they implement to deter criminals? Note how Tom avoids specifying what his "form of a stop and frisk policy" would be, at all costs. The hint is in the coded language of "resident procedures." Sounds strangely like a papers please law where only certain people will be required to verify their residency. Folks like Tom are no where nearly as complicated as they wish us to believe they are.
Tom
8:09 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
That's right David i am not complicated.
Unfortunately there are others that simply must complicate everything.
David Peart
7:12 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
It wasn't a compliment. Simple minds draw overly simplistic conclusions, usually at the expense of others.
Tom
8:09 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
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Steven Serebrenik
10:28 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Folks,
Crime has come to the surburbs...This is a fact that we must accept and deal with...We, as a society, have coddled the criminals long enough. This will continue as long as we have the attitude of "we feel sorry for the criminal because society has dealt them a bad hand". Growing up in the "ghetto", "inner city" or whatever we choose to call it with crime all around, I can tell you that the liberal mindset from folks in the surburbs who thought that crime was relegated to the "inner city" are finding out differently.
Newtown Conn. was horrible for more than the loss of those precious little kids and their teachers and the lunatic's mother. It happened in the SURBURBS where families normally feel more secure.
We need to secure our children in West Orange schools with armed retired police or military personnel. I grew up with metal detectors and a police presence at Bronx schools. This type of protection in the "burbs" is necessary whether we liike it or not. I happen to have a unique perspective on this issue. Please don't wait....Do this and take other measures to sercure the public. We cannot forsee every crime event...We can only try to PREVENT as many of those crimes from happening.
It gives me very little joy to write this but people need to wake up and take charge...
MSS
7:12 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
The township of Totowa has instituted the policy of an armed police officer in every school. They only have two schools but they are a small town. The reaction from the residents seems mostly positive. We have a police standing in Shop Rite, why not the schools? We hate to admit that it has come to this, but I think it has.
Tom G.
9:26 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013
Because Shop Rite pays off-duty cops to patrol the store. I can't imagine how much our taxes would increase by putting a cop in every school, in addition to the cops we need on the street. The town laid off 12 cops just last year because of the expense.
MSS
1:18 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
The library has a police officer. That would have been a better example than Shop Rite. The Totowa police officers agreed to a reduced rate of $40 an hour to guard the schools. It will cost the town $180,000 for the year. They have two schools but their population is lower than ours.
John M. Hagerty
1:25 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Concerning school security, I`m wondering why a civilian would need to buy body armor? I`ve been told that it can be easily and legally bought; is this true? It`s only purpose is to stop bullets, correct?
badbul
9:08 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Ballistic body armor is legal to buy, own and wear in the State of New Jersey. Wearing ballistic body armor only becomes a crime if used in the commission of a crime.
Tom G.
7:12 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Crime "coming to the suburbs" is nothing new, so we don't all need to go into a panic. In fact, if you take the time to look at the statistics, here is the number of auto thefts in West Orange by year:
1999: 377
2003: 371
2007: 132
2011: 78
Notice any trend? (source: city-data.com)
Steven Serebrenik
12:24 pm on Thursday, January 31, 2013
Good news!
David Peart
9:26 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013
Then what lowered the remaining indices, technology? Did new technology, glass etching, and "more ethical repair shops" (that's the funniest one of all) lower the strong-arm robbery rate too? Yes, that number declined significantly as well, with the exception that recently demonstrated that "slight uptick" that you find offensive. Those are the facts as verified by the most recent FBI/UCR's, and facts only offend those whose intent is less than honorable. It's also why in an article that reports on an auto theft, would someone not wish the actual numbers, demonstrating a significant drop in incidents, to be taken into consideration. Which old time technique for robbery would demonstrate the new robbery generation is less impacted by police intervention? Maybe they just became more "ethical?"
Steven Serebrenik
12:24 pm on Thursday, January 31, 2013
Tom G,
Concerned about expense...I agree...Why are we considering a $350,000 dollar concession stand and a huge expense for a wading pool enhancement..What's more important..
A retired police officer or military person would not cost a huge amount....We would NOT be paying their pensions for instance.
Would you not think that our children are worth the expense...I do and I know you do too.
Tom
8:58 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
How about volunteers?
Steven Serebrenik
8:49 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
I would feel more comfortable with a paid ex professional. A volunteer is fine if we have them thoroughly screened by responsible people.
Tom
10:57 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
I Just don't think we should create another "job mill"
Tom G.
9:17 am on Monday, February 4, 2013
Volunteers? That sounds like a nice concept, but it's not practical. Who is going to volunteer to sit in a school all day, every day, for no pay? It's simply not going to happen. Even if you found a retiree willing to do it, is a 70+ year old guy with a gun really who you want patrolling the schools?
Steven Serebrenik
10:31 am on Monday, February 4, 2013
Tom G,
I personally think that the fact we are talking about this is good. We can work out the "details" but let's protect our schools...We can have some payment for people and the day could be shared by two people at least.
David Peart
9:19 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
It's great that people talk about school security. It would be better if we were talking about such things within the reality of our security needs. To have someone guarding our schools from the potential of armed incursion certainly can't hurt, until one considers the cost of having someone trained to handle such incidents in all our schools for 6 hours a day. It is not what most people believe it is.
Tom
9:19 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
It can be like "lunch Moms or Dads" it could be morning and afternoon shifts.
I think it would be a great for parents to be involved.
A win win
Tom G.
11:19 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Going back to my original point, I just don't see this being practical. Most families these days are 2-parent working households. And the parents that do stay home have their own kids to take care of.
Steven Serebrenik
11:19 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
David,
Don't know you personally but regardless, I am very much surprised about your comment.
Gary Englert
5:17 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Steve Serebrenik:
Mr. Peart is a both a realist and a retired NYCPD detective. Horrible as incidents like Newtown, Aurora and other such mindless, senseless atrocities, they still are not so numerous or prevalent that turning schools into fortresses and/or providing armed security at each is desirable or necessary.
It's also a given that an armed policemen/security guard can only react to that which occurs within his/her reasonable proximity...and schools are not necessarily small buildings; if so motivated, someone can create a great deal havoc on one side of a campus before on site security can get there.
It is also a given that, while crime IS everywhere, it has been generally in decline for the last 20 years, both in West Orange and across the nation. What we do have is more immediate and widespread reproting of the crime that does happen due to the Internet.
David Peart
9:30 am on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Steven,
Not sure what about my comment surprises you, but I'm open to the discussion.
Steven Serebrenik
10:39 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Gary,
This is your first comment on this subject and it shows. There has been much conversation about RETIRED police or military...not Cops on the job.
Gary Englert
9:30 am on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Steve Serebrenik:
What, precisely, about my post suggests I haven't read all those that preceded it?
Whatever their nomenclature (cops/security guards/military or law enforcement retirees)there is a price associated with providing them that would be unjustified by any objective risk assessment or cost benefit analysis.
The simple fact remains that the incidence of armed agressors opening fire in school buildings remains statisitically insignificant but, if the risk was deemed sufficient to warrant stationing armed security (of whatever type) in our schools, just how many of them would be sufficient for a school the size of WOHS?
If the security officer (again, of whatever type) happens to be in the cafeteria when gunfire errupts in the auditorium, there could be one hell of a lot of carnage before said guard could respond and get there.
That said, adequately screening, hiring, training (which MUST be ongoing), equipping, managing and administering a school security force would be neither simple nor inexpensive...and there are a host of practical and legal impediments to manning it with volunteers.
Point in fact, the West Orange First Aid Squad can't get enough volunteers any longer to provide service during the business day.
Gary Englert
9:30 am on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
As to your suggestion this force be comprised of ex-military, you seem to be laboring under the misconseption that there are a whole hell of a lot of qualified veterans walking around who'd be willing to serve.
The simple fact remains that there are not, as only 1 in 10 members of the armed forces is actually classified as a combatant (who actually engages an armed enemy) and the vast majority of those who serve never train, fire or qualify with a handgun.
I'm also disinclined to believe that the typical law enforcement retireee would sign on to wear another uniform and enjoy less pay and benefits, while still wearing a badge, carrying a gun and still putting himself in harm's way but, that's jus me.
Steven Serebrenik
12:55 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Gary,
You have convinced me...LET'S DO NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gary Englert
10:09 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
Steven Serenbrenik:
What we need to do is let cooler heads prevail and not jump to the illogical conclusion that armed psychopaths invading schools, movie theaters and shopping malls are so prevalent that we need to create some broad reaching secuirty bureaucracy to deal with such things.
Do keep in mind that, prior to 9/11/01, the greatest mass murder in our nation's history was perpetrated by a miscreant packing a Ryder truck with a home made bomb made of fuel oil and fertilizer...and he killed 168 people without firing a shot.
Protecting our schools from such a thing would require that no motor vehicle be allowed within a hundred yards of one; is that practical and where was the public outcry to support such secuirty?
The bottom line remains that armed security guards (of any type) are simply not necessary in the vast majority of the schools in this country....and where they are, they should be professionals and properly trained to handle the situations they are likely to face.
Thinking volunteers are an answer is naive and anyone proposing such a thing has no understanding of the liability issues at hand, let alone the very harsh realities faced by people who must actually engage an armed aggressor...bowel and bladder control not being the least of them.
Lastly, your intiial comments on cirme ignore the fact that, in general, it has been declining for decades in the USA and West Orange is no exception...there's half as much as there was 15 years ago.
Steven Serebrenik
12:55 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
David,
Sorry, my mistake....
David Peart
3:15 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that we do nothing. We do however have to consider the possibility that we already have it right and not seek to fix what isn't broken. The issues that need fixing are not necessarily what we are discussing.
Gary Englert
10:09 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
David Peart:
And yours is a voice of reason...with the practical and professional experience to know from whence you speak.
kleeneth
10:35 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013
Leaving a car unlocked with the keys inside and running is really dumb. The cops should have avoided all pursuit of the stolen car to prevent an accident. And the jerk who allowed this to happen deserves a hefty increase in insurance rates.