Superintendent Suspended
Board of Education places Superintendent Anthony Cavanna on leave pending further investigation into 'district issues.'
Superintendent Anthony Cavanna was suspended by the West Orange Board of Education on Wednesday.
Cavanna was placed on paid administrative leave pending further investigation into “district issues,” said Board President Laura Lab. The board also voted not to rehire Cavanna as superintendent of the district after his contract expires in June 2013.
Cavanna was not present at the meeting that evening.
The board had unanimously appointed Cavanna to a four-year term as superintendent in 2009. Before coming to West Orange, Cavanna worked in schools in New Jersey and New York as a teacher, assistant principal, principal and deputy superintendent of schools.
Assistant Superintendent Donna Rando was appointed by the board to act as superintendent during Cavanna’s absence.
In a prepared statement, Lab said that while Rando serves as superintendent of schools during Cavanna’s leave, the board “expects no interruption to the district’s commitment to serving the needs of the children of West Orange.”
The board passed all resolutions unanimously and without any discussion.
Sherley Jean-Baptiste was one of the only members of the community to speak during the public comment portion of the meeting.
“I don’t know what the issues are ... but I do applaud the board for taking that stand at such a time,” said Jean-Baptiste, “knowing that there might be frictions, but you did take a stand. I applaud you, and thank you for looking out for the district.”
Lab and Rando were tight lipped about the reasons surrounding Cavanna’s suspension and provided no further comments.
However, contention between the board and Cavanna seems to have been brewing for some time.
In July 2011, rumors flew around town and online comment boards -- which proved to be untrue -- that the board was discussing Cavanna’s dismissal in a closed session during his yearly evaluation by the board. The rumors caused residents to contact the board, and statements to be issued by school attorney Steven Christiano.
In addition, the board has also been beset with investigations. Ethics charges were filed in April against Lab and board member Megan Brill.
One male teacher, who spoke on the condition on anonymity, said, in his opinion, Cavanna has been a divisive figure in the district and that the board has been attempting for more than a year to get rid of him.
“There has been a big problem in the district for a very longtime ever since [Cavanna] entered the office,” said the teacher. “It has caused a great division in the district as well.
“My hat’s off to the board for doing what was needed to be done.”
The next board meeting will be Monday, July 23, at 8 p.m. in the district’s administration building, 179 Eagle Rock Ave.
Adam Kraemer
6:40 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
No one in the public knows the details and legally those who do know most likely can not provide details at this time. So any conversation on this subject has limited value because it would come from limited and most likely incorect information. However, one thing the BOE might think of doing is just paying out the aproximately eleven months on the contract and have Dr. Cavanna go. This would avoid legal battles and legal fees and enable the BOE to focus on its mission of providing quality educational oportunities for our chilren at a fair cost to our taxpayers. It would also creat a certanity of leadership. Also, as a taxpayer I want my money back from those consultants we hired back in 2009 to help us find a chief operating officer for our schools.
Sue Freivald
5:34 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Well, if you were running things you would have spent eight months' too much, so maybe that makes up for the headhunters? ;) Under current law, pay outs to superintendents can't exceed three months per year left on the contract, which in this case is three months. Not to mention that the BOE can't do this unilaterally--the super would have to agree to a pay out.
Donna Burkat
6:18 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
your comments make good sense to me.However everything is so mysterious about what happened between the board and Dr. Cavanna. Why can't this be more transparent so we can make a fair judgement.
Concerned Vocal parent
6:50 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I meant tenure! Thanks again BOE members, I am certain that many of the parents will be pleased with your decisions. Many of us have written to you guys, showing you data on the continuous failure. Please do not appoint Mr. Moore as principal, you cannot trust Dr, C decisions and recommendation anymore. I will be there on 7/23/12 to speak. The high school is too important for you to do this. Thanks Paula, and Laura! God bless you guys. I thought I was the only feeling this way. Give the other underperformers notice also, Please show them the door. We are African American parents, but we wondered aloud, why would he keep appointing novice as principals. You are a novice, when you are placed in a job without top administrative experience.
Ann Aly Ahmed
11:18 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Hayden Moore is most certainly the right choice as the next Principal of WOHS.
Great day
12:28 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
whatever Ann, Mr. Moore is the right choice for you, but not the district. We are moving forward, we are looking to the future, backward never. We want a strong administrator, with an immaculate resume, that includes principal experience. This is not playing footbal at PAL, this is about strengthening our future.
Gladys
6:55 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Where does this leave contract negotiations? Any progress made on that front or is the BOE too busy making and defending all these allegations? Teachers are headed into year two without a contract.
Concerned Vocal parent
6:57 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
We dont have to know the details. We see the data. We know that under his tenure the district is deteriorating. We know that he was fired in atleast three instances for underperforming. We also know that he is too laid back. We know that we cannot have a meeting with him without the prinicpals sitting there, and that he never act on facts. We also know that his appointment are based on race and not on merits. In the end, we know that West Orange needs better, and he should have been gone since last year. You dont need a rocket scientist to know that he has done poorly on the job. What legal battle are you talking about? When your contract is up, no one is under any obligation to renew it. I am pleased. I am over the moon this morning, because I know this district deserve better and we are being marginalized. I am not the brightest, but I know failure when I see it.
Concerned Vocal parent
7:03 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Times are hard, it took THE STATE UNIVERSITIES five years to give their employees 2% raised without any retro pay. Two years is not bad. Just allow the district to clean up the mess first.
Tax Payer AND WOBOE Employee
8:44 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
My utility bills , food and gas prices don't want to wait until things are "cleared up", they keep raising the prices daily. I feel we should get paid for the work we HAVE DONE! No one seems to recognize that we ARE still doing our job, ARE still going above and beyond, we HAVE NOT stopped doing.
Concerned Vocal parent
7:04 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Times are hard, it took THE STATE UNIVERSITIES five years to give their employees 2% raise without any retro pay. Two years is not bad. Just allow the district to clean up the mess first. I dont have time to correct grammar but you get the point. Our teacher will get their contract soon. This morning is new day in West Orange.
Vicki Russo
7:06 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
What is going on with this BOE in West Orange? They are consistently going after administrators Jobs? I guess they like to Fire People!
I think the West Orange parents have the right to know what ethical violations Dr. Cavanna committed to have him put on leave of absence. I saw how this Board handled the Athletic Director in West Orange and that man had to bring credible witnesses from other towns to testify on his behalf before the BOE in West Orange stop their nonsense.
The WO BOE needs to make a public statement as to why Dr. Cavanna is on leave. If this BOE does not have credible evidence that Dr. Cavanna committed some illegal crime in our school district, The give him his position back and STOP this nonsense also.
I am ashamed of the WO BOE and how they handle the school districts business. I hope all of you are kicked off the BOE ASAP.
Vicki in West Orange
Ken
7:21 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Yeah, personnel issue or not, I think some sort of explanation is owed. The speculation so far in the comments seems less-than believable to me -- doesn't the board has to vote on appointments, which means there isn't much likelihood he's been appointing unqualified individuals?
To have an emergency meeting to suspend him, a few days before a regularly scheduled meeting? There's got to be something else afoot, no?
barry_geltzeiler
9:54 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Vicki, the BOE DID not mishandle the athletic diector situation. The BOE can not act on reappointing the AD UNTIL the superintendent reccommends him for reppointement. Dr. Cavanna dragged his feet and put AD Bligh through the ringer until he finally reccommended him for reappointment. Once AD Bligh received the reccommendation the BOE acted immediately and voted 5-0 to repponint him. So please understand the facts concerning the AD.
Sue Freivald
11:49 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Vicki, to clear up the issue of Mr. Bligh's tenure, people showed up to praise Mr. Bligh and chastise the BOE for refusing to give him tenure, only to find out that the BOE NEVER VOTED not to grant his tenure because the BOE can only vote on it IF THE SUPER RECOMMENDS someone for tenure. The superintendent hadn't recommended Mr. Bligh for tenure, so the BOE wasn't refusing to give him tenure, Dr. C was holding it up. Once Dr. C recommended him after that meeting, the BOE voted to approve his tenure.
Donna Burkat
6:23 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Vicki you make alot of sense. Concerned wo parent and citizen
GOWO
7:07 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Concerned vocal parent -- the contract issues that Gladys is speaking of is that of the TEACHERS who are currently working without a contract, it is undoubtedly sure that these issues will yet again move any negotiations for teachers to the side...
W.O. Mom
7:17 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Mr. Cavanna does not seem very concerned about the well being of the children or their families. I have known him to dismiss parent's concerns as if he just does not care. I hope West Orange will do better. Schools in this city seem to be very segregated as well. I hope in coming years a way can be found to have more diversity in the schools, specially the elementary schools.
leslie
8:17 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
How can you say that our school are segregated. All three of the schools that my child went to were racially mixed.
Ken
9:09 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Yeah, I don't get that either. Obviously neighborhood elementary schools will draw from the neighborhood, but ours is quite diverse, too. And obviously sixth grade and the high school are 100% integrated...
Michelle Cadeau
10:00 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I agree whole heartily with Leslie. How can you say our schools are segregated? And in the few cases that they are more of 'one sort', it is the people that choose to live in one or another part of town.
A school can not be much more diverse than Pleasantdale, Mt Pleasant, Hazel, Redwood for example.
Blue
1:44 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Just because a school is racially mixed does not mean it is not segregated. Open a your eyes.
Ken
7:26 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I don't know, as the very satisfied parent of two elementary school kids, I wasn't aware of any serious problems in the district. We love our school and really have no sense one way or the other about Cavanna, other than that I've heard good things from a teacher who's worked with him on some curriculum project. We generally have avoided the constant battles they seem to have next door in South Orange/Maplewood over their schools, so I thought things were all right. Very curious to know what's really going on with this.
Vicki Russo
7:47 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I have only been involved with the WO school district since last March and I do not like what I see on the WO BOE. They seem to play favorites and if administrators, teachers or janitors do not follow their directions, then the employees feel threatened that the BOE will get them fired.
I thot the BOE was in charge of curriculum and issues between the school district and the citizens, parents, children of the district. When did this BOE become the firing squad for WO School District. I must have missed that meeting giving the BOE all this power over people's jobs.
I have been in the schools and talked with employees at the district and they are literally afraid of these BOE members for fear of losing their job if they inadvertently upset a board member.
This is all about power and control for the BOE. These women Laura Labb and her flunkies on the board want to control people livelihood. They put the Atheletic Director at the HS threw HELL last May. That man was doing his job, helping his wife with issues and fighting for his career at the same time. I have no respect for this board. I do not believe what they say because they lie to prove their own point of interest.
I want to hear their evidence and I want it NOW!
Vicki in WO
Tax Payer AND WOBOE Employee
8:55 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
You are so right...well said!
Liz B
9:58 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
No one owes you any explanation Vicki. Administrators are responsible for myriads of things. The scores are low. I am sure he did not commit a crime because the police would have been involved. The state of the school is poor. He use cronysm to appoint principals. We deserve better than is lack of drive to fix one of the best school district in the country. When you call him or write to him, he dismisses you, and samething with Dr. Rando. We pay too much taxes in this town for this continuous decline to happen. Second, many of you want the board to put out dirty laundry, there somethings that are private and are guided by the law. You can not say why people were fired. Thank God that this day is here! I hope that Mr. Moore will not be appointed principal on Monday, he is not qualified. This is our high school. This is our pride and joy, bring someone in with a track record of success. Dr. C does not think much of us, if he did he would not have allowed Edison to become so weakened. Most children from upper West Orange arrived at Edison with a record of success, yet they leave failing or just testing proficient on the NJASK. You dont believe me ask the board to make the composite scores public. They can give percentages without identifying any students.
Michelle Cadeau
10:03 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
'Most children from upper WO' Really??? What kind of post is that?
Sue Freivald
11:56 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Vicki, I think it is important to understand the hiring and firing process in the district. The ONLY person the BOE can directly hire or fire is the superintendent (and even then, can only fire him for cause--as in legal grounds that can stand up in court, not merely their whim.) ALL OTHER staff can only be hired or fired through the recommendation of the superintendent. The BOE can approve or reject the Super's recommendation, but it is simply untrue that any informed teacher would think that BOE members can get them fired--to be fired, or even laid off, it would have to start with the super's recommendation. Therefore, the person to be worried about upsetting is the superintendent, not BOE members. No one can get hired or fired without him recommending it--that is the procedure. No can get tenure without him first recommending it--the BOE can't simply look around and decide to hire or fire or grant tenure to someone. They have to wait for the super to initiate it.
chris
8:06 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Living in this town is getting to be embarrassing at this point. Either way, justified or not, the idea of the BOE having this much control over the fate of our TOWN is a scary thing. People move to neighborhoods because of schools. I've been to several BOE meetings and all I see is Labb and Petigrow bullying their other board members and parents during the meeting in addition to the pathetic lawyer who sleeps throughout the meeting. It's sad. I just hope this board knows what they are doing because you folks need to realize that their actions have a serious impact on the livelihood of this town. At the end of the day I see a few of these board members as back stabbers, power tripping, bored individuals who have nothing better to do with their time other than making lives miserable. At the end of the day they are accountable for the failures of this district too. And more that half of them have been sitting on the board since the dawn of time and have not brought the district up to the level where it should be. I hope this inspires more qualified people to run for board seats. Again my issue is not whether it's justified or not, my concern is the board members and their inability to lead and succeed!!!!!
Portmanteau
8:26 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Well put Chris. Let's get rid of all of the longtime losers of this district. Those who preside over the downward spiral. One thing to consider is all of the things that Dr. Cavana has done that are simple common sense items like cleaning up the various grounds of the schools, putting in place systems for teachers to use for absenses. I'm also concern and very angry that the mediocre schools in this town are now legendary, along with the supersized tax bill, and all we have are simpletons competing for power. Real shame. Look for more kids to opt out of the district for private schools and relocations. The board also treats the teachers with contempt. Look at there handling of the healthcare benefits for the staff. The Assistant Superintendent who is interim head now has been here for many years and has had zero effect on increasing the ranking of the district compared to others in similar towns. We looks horrible. Congratulations to the students who continue to outshine the district and here's hoping there future is not clouded by these lackies.
Alan Sanders
8:52 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Time for a change. Remember in November!
wohopeful
9:37 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
How is it that this current Board can "voted not to rehire Cavanna as superintendent of the district after his contract expires in June 2013" when the contract is not due for renewal and at least two members of this board may not be board members in 2013 pending the November 2012 elections?
This certainly stinks of dirty politics and the members of the BOE appear to be misguided in how they are going about things. They have already embroiled us in many lawsuits, this appears to be another one looming because of their ineptitudes. These BOE members are costing us dearly in legal fees and taking good money away from the children's education.
Liz B
10:20 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
if your contract expires, no one can sue you. His contract will expire in 2013, you have the right to pay him for the next 11 months. I dont think Dr. C will sue anyone, he knew this day was coming. Are you saying that we should sink the ship with Dr. C "ineptitude"? This is not about you or me, it is about our children.
Outside looking in
11:33 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
FYI the Board has to inform the Superintendent one year prior to his contract expiration whether or not they plan to renew is contract. That is stated in all superintendent contracts.
Simona Bana
9:50 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
A agree with you Alan. The Board was voted in by tax payers and I don't believe they are doing the job they were put in office to do. Someone said it in another posting, with all the garbage that the BOE is putting out there, WO students continue to learn and perform. The Board is inconsistent with their policies and it seems that the decisions they make are fly by night and with little thought to the district as a whole, but rather to their personal need. Enough!
Liz B
10:07 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Simona, you are in the minority. The BOE want us to be successful. They are pressured by us to perform. You just cannot please everyone. Thank God this day has arrived. Our next goal is to reform Edison! My child move from Edison to another middle school, it was night and day. I could not believe that two sets of teachers in the same district could be so different. At Roosevelt, the teachers are so focussed. They give you weekly information. My child was just passing the Math at Edison, check the Roosevelt website, they have everything there to make your children successful. I told Dr. C just two months ago that what he allow to happen at Edison may determine his faith. I said to him that the way they operate and how children are measured is way too subjective, and that will ultimately affect them in high School. Many of you are happy because you see honor roll and some Principal's list, but have you really looked at how subjective the grades are? They did make some changes after my complaint, but it is still loosely structured. I applaud the board. We cannot continue to rank in the lowest tier among middle schools in NJ. This has to stop.
Outside looking in
11:26 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I think what everyone is forgetting is that Edison is a Central 6 school that has all the students in one grade level in one setting. This being said, you must realize that the special education population is all i ONE school. The other schools have this population interspersed throughout the district. The only other school where this takes place is in the high school. Unfortunately, special needs students are tested with the same NJASK test as the rest of the population. Their test results are incorported into the final score for the school. It's an unfair practice that needs to be addressed by the DOE and hasn't been since NCLB. It's a disservice to our teachers because it gives them a bad rap, our children because it makes them seem as though they are performing, and it hurts the integrity of the adminstration. I believe the leadership at Edison is very strong and the principal is a true advocate for his teachers, staff and most importantly the success of his student population.
Simona Bana
9:39 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Liz, I don't really think I'm part of the minority because I live in West Orange and I have two children in the WO school district. There is a major concern of how the BOE in WO has been handling the situation with the superintendent. The same board had him vetted and chose him. There is accountability of action and there should be transparency, which there isn't. The Board also decides what seems to be on a new curriculum, especially in math almost every year. And then we expect teachers to perform and keeps scores high when having to relearn a new system of math? It's confusing to the students and the teachers and there is no consistency or continuity. And all studies show that children learn best especially during the early years while there is consistency and continuity in the method of teaching. So, yes I am very disappointed in the current board. But it sounds like you're happy with the little they have to offer.
Michelle Cadeau
9:57 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Simona, before the commitment to the everyday math and connected math there was no math curriculum for about 10 years or so. So to say that they change math curriculum every year is not correct. They didn't have any, committed to one, implemented it and the scores have gone up.
The everyday math has helped a lot of kids, the teachers I have talked to all love it. It took a little longer for the kids in say 3rd and 4th grade since it was new. The results for the kids that stared it in K is all better.
I have a 5th grader and a 3rd grader and I had to change my way of thinking but so did my parents when new stuff came out.
Liz B
10:15 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Do your research before you accuse anyone of libel or dismissing someone unfairly. He was fired from 4 district before for the same lack of leadership. It is on the web. He was just not vetted properly. This is his doing, no one else. He determine his own fate. West Orange is very generous. He said 4 weeks ago that he could not find a principal so he has to extend the application process, two weeks later he hired a principal from within the high school. He took us for granted, because he thinks that we are weak. Everytime I pay that $1500 per month for tax, I think about how to make this district successful for my children, I live here 20 years and I have never seen it so weak. Kudo to our bright children, we love them, and we applaud the great teachers who help them, but when 62% of student pass NJASK Math in the middle School, and 92 percent pas at another School in Newark, it does not look good. These are public data. Go do your research, many of you go by what you here, start doing your research.
Michelle Cadeau
10:47 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Why was he hired here if that was his record? What can we do to make sure that the BOE doesn't make this costly mistake again (since they were the ones hiring him)
Pastor Greg Boyle
10:18 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Paid leave always concerns me. Either charge the man, put him to work cutting grass or reinstate him. If you have enough cause to suspend him, you better have enough cause to charge him.
Vicki Russo
1:04 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Thank you for your awesome comments
Vicki Russo
Gary Englert
11:23 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
@ Pastor Greg Boyle: Greg, due process is in full force and effect here and the Board is proceeding precisely how it must under current guidelines and state law.
Given the 5-0 vote, the Board clearly believes they have ample grounds to terminate the man's contract but, can't due so until the charges are presented to, and affirmed by, the Morris County Superintendent of Schools (who oversees West Orange)....which should be accomplished in days or weeks, not months.
The suspension is the correct action so that the district can continueto function as necessary and not headed someone the Board has lost faith in.
As to having him cut grass, I rather doubt that's an allowable option by contract or law. :-)
Lee Jones
10:27 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
"We looks horrible" - maybe it's not the teachers or the administrators who are failing our children.....
Liz B
10:33 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
well the boss usually get the axe for the failure, so if you are an administrator posing as Lee Jones you better shape up. We will get rid of the coach because we cannot fire the children.
Michelle Cadeau
10:44 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I agree with you Lee. All parents must take responsibility.
Portmanteau
4:46 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
We's DOOOO though! Using I.E. browser means it doesn't catch my typos!
WO dad
10:38 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Who are these parents (or citizens) that believe that WO schools are the "best around"??? Have you seen the riffraf coming out of the middle schools and hs? OMG, this town if officially urban. In that regard, WO is better than EO, Irv or Nwk, but to compare it to a well managed suburban district like Livingston, Cedar Grove or Caldwell is a joke.
Michelle Cadeau
10:43 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
As a mom of two sons I have to say: A post like this is digging the head in the sand. It is not the school's of BOE fault if students don't learn in school. Us parents have to take responsibility too. more so than the school. It reflects on the parents more than on the district, to me. If the parents could work together with the BOE and the school things would probably look up a lot.
I have two sons doing GREAT in school. Have great teachers and administrators and very involved parents.
barry_geltzeiler
11:38 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
hey dad that sounds like a racial comment to me. we are much more racilly mixed than the towns you mentioned, but for the majority these are good kids. BTW if you make a comment like that grow a set and put your real name!
Lisa
12:02 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Barry, couldn't agree more. Those kids coming out of the middle schools and high school are MY kids. I wouldn't consider them riraff. They are smart, enthusiastic kids who are doing extremely well in school. They are active in clubs and sports and exemplify the very best of West Orange. Let's support the kids instead of trashing them!
WO dad
10:38 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
And no Supt change or Prin change will make any difference. The town is hopeless.
Michelle Cadeau
10:43 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I agree with most of the first part of the statement but not at all that the town is hopeless. It is what we make it.
leanna
2:34 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
not true.....we are achievers!
Lee Jones
10:57 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Exactly, Michelle. We need to stop placing blame elsewhere. These are our children and this is our town....it is what WE make it. We are far from powerless as parents.
chris
11:07 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Liz B not sure why you are applauding the same BOE that put him into place then, after not being vetted properly. You make no sense. At the end of the day the Superintendent reports into the Board so they ultimately are supposed to be the ones in charge and ACCOUNTABLE. Maybe they were justified in their actions which is fine but their track record doesn't show that they make good decisions. I just want the Board to know that they are to be held accountable as well. They can get fired too!
And Cadeau you can speak for yourself but obviously not every parent has had the same experience. Yes parent accountability is crucial but if you don't have a sound board, administrators and curriculum in place our efforts as parents are futile!
Michelle Cadeau
11:34 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I speak only for myself and my family Chris. Of course as a whole the board and admin needs to be sound for the district to work but in the meantime it is possible as a parent to help your child succeed. You (and/or your kids) don't need to fail because the system fails. The teachers are still good, many of the principals are good, there is no excuse for individual children to fail because of this - IF they have the right support at home and they are 'sound'
barry_geltzeiler
11:39 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
The Board cannot be fired Chris, they have to be voted out!
Great day
12:21 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
love your comment Chris. Have you heard about the confusing connected math? Livingston does not use it, they think it is garbage, West Orange is dishing out garbage....Parents are unable to help children with this confusion called "connected Mathematics" . Not tomention some of the teachers who are confused teaching it. I want you guys to go on the internet, google connected mathematics" and look at it. To be specific, look at accentuate the nagative, they have no explanation how to get to the answers. How do you expect the children to master this? Dr. C brought it here, and he said that it is here to stay.
Lee Jones
11:17 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
You are right Chris. I think EVERYONE should be held accountable. If you get into the educational field, it should be about the CHILDREN, not personal politics or feelings. If you are a parent, it should be also about your children and not personal politics or feelings.
chris
11:34 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Agreed Lee
Great day
12:04 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
To the person blaming special education children for the dysfunctional performance, you got it wrong. I have a child in special education who tested proficient for NJASK Language Arts and Mathematics. Also, all district have special education children. My child was in a special education class at Edison two years ago with only 4 other children. Special education children in West Orange make up for less then 10% of the School. I agree that parents are responsible for their children, but the chain is as strong as its weakest link. You have many children who are in inclusive classrooms who are performing worse than special education. So this stereotype that special education children are bringing Edison is a fabrication. Also, when you look at the ranking of schools, they also rank it based on two levels, special education and the mainstream classroom. I am sorry that your pride are hurt through all of this, but this reality. Let us do a fact check, everyone! And for the one who said the principal at Edison fight for his teachers, I am sure he does? But according to his remark at a recent BOE meeting, his school is now been watched by Christie Administration because there is a wide disparity between those who are doing well and those who are doing poorly, these are not all special education children. Remember this only 62% of his student pass NJASK Math last year. This placed the school among the lower tier.
Great day
12:12 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
The special education should not affect the score, these children have longer time to do the NJASK. Take it from me this is the excuse they have been using for the past 6 years. We confronted the board with the data at a meeting at Washington School 6 years ago. We showed them that special education is not the cause for the decline. There are so many different reasons why children are in special education, but most of them have brilliant mind. My child reads very well, but it take him a little longer to write things down on paper, but he does well on NJASK. Again, the data show that the students entering 6th grade last year Average between a high of 96% Language Arts to a low of 86% in all elementary school combined and 94% to 75% for math in all school combined, you tell me why would the same cohort goes to Edison and we see a big drop in the average? I can join the other parents and say thank God he is gone! We are looking for excuses for why some are underperforming, when some of your building administrators are clueless, and walking around with their head in the sky. You better start paying attention, and demand from them what they were hired to do. We pay them well.
chris
12:20 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Barry in their world being voted out is fired. No?
barry_geltzeiler
1:16 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
well fired is more immediate, voted must be done at election time. BOE are three year terms.
chris
12:23 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
And whatever happened to the ethics charges and investigation against Laura Lab and Meghan Brill? Just curious...
And Barry I'm sure board members can certainly be removed...
barry_geltzeiler
1:18 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
absolutely they can be removed for ethics vilations. it is my understanding that there are current ethic charges against 2 board members that are gong through the due process and procedure. as residents its a wait and see for the outcome.
leanna
2:32 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
what ethics charge?
barry_geltzeiler
3:00 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
@leanna ethics charges against two board members were revealed at a BOE meeting earlier this year. thats all the info i have.
Great day
12:33 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
To top it all off, there will be a new superintendent, and he is going to show up and realize that we need changes, and he is going to make changes. Unfortunately, some of you goibng to show up at the board meeting crying racism. Many of you are the people are complicating the progress of the town. You see how many of you are writing without knowing the facts. Last year many parents showed up at the BOE crying racism because an African American Language Arts supervisor was terminated from her post, but most of those parents have not been back to the BOE meeting since. Please do not complicate the life of our next superintendent, get read of the innercity mentality and let us fight for progress.
Great day
12:34 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Again, please approach this with an openmind and embrace change, we need to get rid of the innercity personality.
Blue
1:59 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Great day, you are quite humorous. "Get rid of the inner city mentality". Be careful with your words. Inner city mentalities may be teaching your children and broadening their horizons to avoid them having the cookie cutter, entitled mentality you appear to be reinforcing. Comments like your comments keeps the community divided. Checkout CNN's racism in schools and watch what the WO students have to say. It starts at hope. Now you have a great day. Oh, and if you truly feel this way Volsfront sounds like it has moved into WO.
Blue
2:01 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
A few spelling errors. Excuse me. Keep instead of keeps, home instead of hope and Volkfront instead of Volsfront.
Great day
12:38 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I struggle to write proper English and to even spell because I am bilingual, but I want my children to get the best education. something I never got because we grew up poor, but God gave my children the ability. I want them to get what I did not get. I have a great trade and a little money, but education gold. It will never decay or vanish away. Please support the next superintendent! I am done blogging.
Vicki Russo
1:42 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
And who is on the next short list for next Supt? Where are we getting this Savior to come to West Orange and put up with all this bullshit politics on the BOE? I hope the BOE shares this information with the WO citizens who are paying all these salaries.
Vicki Russo
barry_geltzeiler
2:01 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
with Dr Rando as the acting super i am assuming she will want to through her hat in the ring. And with the townships last experience hiring someone elses reject in my opinion perhaps we are better off hiring from within. Dr Rando has an excellent track recors of hard work and commitment to our district.
leanna
2:17 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
There we go with the politics barry: "Dr Rando has an excellent track recors of hard work and commitment to our district".
john anthony prignano
2:54 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Barry "Dr. Rando has an excellent track record of hard work and commitment to our district " Dr. Rando has a very bad track record on improving the quality of education .And Barry, At a current salary of $200,000 a year plus great benefits for a dozen years of service, aren't " hard work and commitment to our district " absolutely nothing more than HER JOB ?
Cynthia Cumming
3:00 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I doubt Dr. Rando will put in for the job... she already makes 25K more than the 175K cap a new Superintendent will get.
And as I have read through these posts, I have to say that while people are allowed an opinion, that doesn't make it fact. Tossing about accusations and heresay about principals and schools in a thread about the superintendent... you're just using everything as an opportunity to spout your ideas and agendas. I hope others have reported the most offensive comments, like I have, and hope they will be removed.
Mr. Moore will be appointed as Principal of the high school at the next BOE meeting. People can comment, but I doubt it will do anything except to make them look bad, attacking an invested resident that is passionate about the hs and the kids. WOHS has a strong staff, each with strengths and weaknesses. A good leader will recognize that and develop a strong team.
barry_geltzeiler
3:03 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
in my opinion Dr Rando does her job well and is committed to our district. That is more than I can say for some WOBOE employees who just show up and do the bare minimum with the high slaries and "cadillac" benefits, so yes it is "her Job" one she prides herself in and does well. John don't hate the player, hate the game!!
barry_geltzeiler
3:09 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Cynthia, I wonder if you are already an empoyee of the district making higher than the super cap, can they make you take a pay cut for a promotion???? intersting foder wouldnt you say. thank you for steppin g up for me. As for Hayden Moore the board member i spoke with are behind 100% and he will add to the hiogh school. Most I speak with are excited to have him as our leader. Its the anonymous ones who bash, grow a set and put your name behind your statement. it gives you credibility.
leanna
3:14 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
There you go Cynthia, showing up to make trouble, and again to spill out your lies and acuse others. I know you dont like John's comment. You only showed up after he made his comments. Tell us Cynthia is the school doing great? Show us your data.............
leanna
3:23 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
This is not about passion...Qualification.....I am passionate about the HS and the kids, but I am certainly not qualified to be the principal. How do you find a correlation between passion and been successfully able to lead the school district? Why using causation to bring out your point? You are saying Mr. Moore will be the High School principal on Monday because he has a love and passion for the children.....There is no correlation there.....Sicko's have passion for children too...dont get me wrong...but this is simple not a way to say someone is qulaified to lead our school district.....No one will look bad but except for Mr. Moore, if he does not prove himself to be a good leader Cynthia. This blog is for adult, so stop thinking like my 6 year old. My 10 years olde would not corelate passion with leadership.....You can flag my comments....no problem....You were the first person to sow discord last year, when you posted that Dr. C was fired. You do not know anyone on the blog, because we use assume name, so fall in line, it is ok to give opposing views......I for one dont think Mr, Moore can develop anyone (opinion, not fact).
john anthony prignano
4:58 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
BarryYou miss the point . Donna Rando's job is to improve the quality of education . She's not doing that. She gets no points from me for " hard work and commitment to the district " whatever that means . Barry, RESULTS are all that matters. And regarding those " paid for a pulse " educrats you refer to, keep in mind ,Hayden Moore has already stated that the West Orange High School staff is absolutely the best staff in the State,so I expect more shameless cheerleading and rationalizing of failure , and no improvements to the quality of education .
Cynthia Cumming
5:32 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Yes Leanna, I will report your personal attacks. Since you say you know so much about me then you should know where to find me tomorrow morning. I would love to see you so we can chat in person!
wohs_student
9:13 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I am a student at WOHS and I believe that Dr. C can be blamed for many of the issues in this school system, but the students, parents and teachers are also a very big part of the education that most people are leaving out. Us students can decide wheather we want to stay after school and work with our teachers to bring up our grades and get extra help. Some teachers are not willing to work with other students and refuse to stay after school and give the student the extra help and time that they need. Also, test scores are so low because teachers do not always prepare us the way we should be and parents do not speak out against the BOE often enough, Dr. C does not pay attention to these issues, and the parents do not encourage the children to try. Many students at the high school are spending a lot of free time after school hanging out on the streets so the parents are to blame just as much as any person working in the school district.
Blue
2:07 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Well said. Enough said. Everyone is accountable for the success of our future moving forward.
Tom
10:07 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Paid suspension???
BOE Pissing my hard earned money away!
Ryan
1:51 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
BOE following the law!
Tabla Rasa
10:09 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I have to say this much...you people on here are full of speculation ,accusations and consternation
Hayden is qualified to be a high school principal...I don't care if he is black , he is certified qualified and committed to the students of WOHS
Dr. Cavanna was a change agent and changed to much to fast for people who don't want or understand change. You can't ask for change and then not accept it when it happens
West Orange has changed demographically in the schools
75 % minority in WOHS
40% (+) economically disadvantaged as a school district
25%(+) special education as a district
Edison MS on state Focus school watch list ....anybody know by state guidelines why?
Elementary schools that are title 1 (Washington and Hazel) You could probably throw Pleasantdale in the mix
Board of education seemingly out of control and power hungry , plus two of them have pending ethics charges, yet they vote to suspend and put out tenure charges on the supt. (ironic)
An acting supt who has been asst supt. of curr. and instruction for 13 (+) years yet the area that West Orange school district failed NJQSAC (08) was in was curriculum and instruction.
Need I say more? Or do we get to a point where as a community we stop talking about the issue and do something about it.
These opinions about the district, the teachers the leadership the curriculum are all fine and good ...accurate or racist or not, the question is are you willing to do anything about it or ...just blog?
Blue
2:09 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Thank you
Tablasa
10:54 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Change Agent, blaming Washington and Hazel for the downward spiral. 95% of Newark is black, there are two schools there that ranked 2 and 4 in the state respectively. I know that you work at the BOE and may be you are one of the principals, because you have very intimate details about everything. Please be careful what you write, you are putting too much details out there that only insiders should have. Even though many of what you say is misrepresented. Do you know how many parents that have higher household income than you have their children on free lunch? It is just that they are selfemployed or live in unmarried household, so they use the lower or no income.
Tablasa
10:57 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
I meant middle Schools, and results bsed on NJASK score 2010. Why not tell the public that the results this year is much worse then last year.
Tablasa
11:01 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
You dont get to do anything about it. Fitz has all the answers. Cocky, prideful and heady....Time for change over there too. Have you ever sat in one of his meetings, and see how he never take the time out to listen. He just kept interrupting, and having an answer or defense for everything. Not all teachers are happy.
Tom
10:11 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
VOUCHERS PLEASE!!!!!
Deb Harvest
11:26 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
“The BOE can approve or reject the Super's recommendation, but it is simply untrue that any informed teacher would think that BOE members can get them fired--to be fired, or even laid off, it would have to start with the super's recommendation. Therefore, the person to be worried about upsetting is the superintendent, not BOE members. No one can get hired or fired without him recommending it--that is the procedure.”
The above statement is not accurate. The Board of Education members can put pressure on a superintendent to hire family members and friends. When this is done and the Superintendent does not follow through with the recommendation, the Board can begin to cause problems for the superintendent. People can get hired and fired based on Board members – Just ask one of the CST Social Workers in the District.
Just a few facts for the public - In 2005, Superintendent Tarnoff appointed, and the Board of Education approved, the appointment of the principal of Edison (who is highly qualified), not Dr. Cavanna.
leanna
12:02 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
We all know this.....However, the School has since taken a drastic turn for the worse.....Dont blamse special education.....There are approximately 25 special education students...
Deb Harvest
11:27 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Superintendent Tarnoff recommended (and the Board of Education approved) the new math program. Dr. Cavanna implemented the plan.
The WO School District has struggled with test scores throughout the past 8 years at the middle, high school, and two elementary schools. This began long before Dr. Cavanna’s appointment in the District.
Enough with the finger pointing, there is enough blame for all to carry their share. Dr. Cavanna has been here for three years. How long have the other District leaders been around? Why wasn’t the quality of education important at that time?
If you are so passionate about the education of ALL children, why do so many people use pseudonyms?
Sue Freivald
1:07 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
"Superintendent Tarnoff recommended (and the Board of Education approved) the new math program. Dr. Cavanna implemented the plan."
Not that it really matters in the context of this article and conversation, but Dr. Cavanna recommended the new math programs, not Tarnoff. Dr. Cavanna began his term in June, 2009, and the district only began PILOTING various math programs in September 2009, selecting the program several months later. The programs were then implemented throughout the district in 2010. It's possible that Dr. Tarnoff started putting the *pilots* in motion the spring before he left, and Cavanna implemented the pilot program, but the *selection* of the new math programs (Everyday Math and Connected Math) was definitely under Dr. Cavanna. The programs being piloted were presented to the public and BOE in December 2009, well into Dr. Cavanna's first year, and Everyday Math and Connected Math were eventually chosen from the programs piloted that year. http://schools.woboe.org/Lists/Announcements/DispForm.aspx?ID=99)
leanna
11:59 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
right he is highly qualified, however, he has weakened the process,,,,,,Having a degree does not translate in high performance......He is the first to have any of West Orange School under state watch. The other teachers are highly qualified too Deb......He can bet he cost Dr. C his job also. You guys think having a masters degree from so mediocre universities makes one highly qualified.....His results are not good Deb....Time for change......Edison deserve better....Ask some of the teachers.....they will tell you......................Edison can do much better.............
James Johnston
11:40 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
There are obviously personal and political motives behind the BOE action in suspending Dr. Cavanna. Why are no specific complaints listed? The board leaders need to check their egos, and be more transparent in their actions. How are the taxpayers, parents and school employees to make any sense of all these accusations, innuendos and half-truths?
Vicki Russo
7:55 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
James,
I agree with your statements
barry_geltzeiler
9:57 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
James there are policies, procedures and law to follow concerning complaints and allegations. it is my unbderstanding the public will get to hear the specficis in weeks to come. We all now must reserve judgement until the fact get released as procedure dictates.
Portmanteau
7:03 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
I have a question for the Board. How is it that you can pay this man not to come to work, but are too cheap to provide a decent contract for teachers? Shameless. I am starting to think that the state needs to come in and take over for this group of non-performing BOE thugs.
Basic Fact
8:02 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Tabla Rasa, your comments are filled with so many lies, it should be deleted. You make West Orange look like Philadelpia. We would appreciate that if peaple are making remarks it is based on fact. Even if students are in title programs such as reduced and free lunch, it does say that they are not doing well. 75% minority in West Orange, that makes everything else you said baseless. You are also saying minority children cannot learn. I attended a birthday party over the weekend, with West Orange residents who are African Americans, and they were engineers, lawyers, doctors, you name it, they were there. Are you saying our children cannot learn?
Vicki Russo
8:04 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Portmanteau,
Yes With the tax burden put on the homeowners in West Orange, something needs to be done for the School District to be accountable for the money they received. After reading thru these comments, obviously parents are not happy with the education from our district. I have only been in this town 5 yrs and thank God my children are all grown but I do care about where my money is going so I attend BOE meetings. From my perspective, I do not see a functioning group who cares about the kids. I see a few members looking out for their status in this community. If a citizen in WO decided to dedicate themselves to a Board that has a leadership role for the rest of the town and have the power to make decisions of how the taxpayers money is spent, they need to be respectful of their duties and make decisions for the good of all students, administration employees and Most of All our teaching staff.
Wwhile raising my children and my involvment with PTA organizations and volunteering to help in the classrooms with my kids teachers, I realized the hours teachers put in off classtime, the measure of patience needed to handle a classroom of 30 unruly children and the constant time needed for retraining and staying up-to-date as new curriculum is adopted by the Dept of Education. These teachers deserve KUDOS and our respect as community members to take on the challenge of teaching our children.
john anthony prignano
10:53 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Vicki I would ask you as I as I have asked others; What are the teachers doing in these " off classtime hours ?" It can't be anything important or essential to a good education , right ? Otherwise, it WOULD BE IN THE CONTRACT You say there are 30 UNRULY children in a class of...30 ? Shame on the parents! Shame on our permissive society ! But teachers are not the least teensy weeny bit to blame, right Vicki ? They're going "Above and beyond " right? How could the official student - teacher ratio be half or less than half of that ? I'll tell you why - almost 20% of the "professional educators" at West Orange High School teach no classes . I would be the first to give kudos to teachers for taking on the challenge of teaching our children , IF THEY WERE SUCCEEDING . Unfortunately, they're not : Multiculturalism , Anti- bullying and Tolerance , a Character Curriculum , co-ed gym classes , the S.A.L.E.s program , the D.A.R.E. program , recycling and environmentalism , computer science, health and sex education , music,art,library, Black Hstory, New Jersey Social Studies, days of standardized testing , and now 2 field days , fitness testing and healthy eating lectures. Arbor Day , Autism Awareness , Career Day,Breast Cancer Awareness, etc.etc ad infinitum . Response ? Early dismissals. In - service workshops , Hours lost because of bad weather? Lost. One daily MANDATED free period and MOONLIGHTING. The term "off hours " is pure semantics. Dedication? Professionalism? Nonsense
john anthony prignano
11:07 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Vicki I also want to ask you ; These people say "They come early and stay late " What do you think their response would be if you said "Since you're doing it anyway, and it certainly must be important to the children's education , I'm sure you wouldn't mind in the least it we put those hours in your contract, right ? " In fact Vicki , What do you think their response would be if you simply asked for the elimination of early dismissals, IN-SERVICE workshops, the mandated daily free period , and hours lost because of bad weather would be made up ? I bet I know what they would say .
Basic Fact
8:07 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
The taxes in West Orange are so high, this means that the minorities in West Orange are rich. I am so amuze by how some of you guys think. I firmly believe that you do not have a basic education and so you are using this forum to show your lack of intelligence. When you are saying that this district is failing because of minorities moving in, you are so off. You cannot live in certain areas if you have a low socioeconomic status. Facts please!!!! Children are not successful because of race.
Michelle Cadeau
6:42 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Well, you can rent an apartment here in WO without having to pay taxes. The house/building owner might be 'rich' but the tenants sure don't have to be. We have many kids (25%?) on free or reduced lunch in WO (meaning that they are living under the poverty guidelines). That's a fact!
Cynthia Cumming
9:05 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
The children in our district are provided with very good educations and numerous programs are in place to address groups of higher achievers and those that struggle. Dr. Cavanna implemented many good programs in the district and brought in millions of dollars in grants. For people to assume that the BOE members are bringing down the district, the staff is bringing down the district, that the district is a failure, based on the comments of anonymous people or those with little real involvement and knowledge, is damaging to all of us. Negativity without proactive solutions and involvement can give people the impression that the West Orange School district is a failure... rather than a unique district with complex and ongoing issues, and yes, even interpersonal conflicts that are unprofessional at times. Well, I suppose the 2012 graduates going to Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, NJIT, Rutgers, MSU, and and a plethora of colleges across the country are failures too.
Lisa
10:08 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
You are correct Cynthia, the 2012 graduating class was amazing and for anyone to suggest otherwise does not have first hand knowledge of all they accomplished both in the classroom and out of it as well. They are a wonderful group of kids who will make West Orange proud with all they will accomplish. It truly upsets me that people bash them without ever having the pleasure of interacting with these kids. The high school was a wonderful place for my child to get an education. My child will be going to an excellent school in the fall and I am sure they will be a huge success as a result of the background they received at the high school.
leanna
11:45 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
There you go again, no one said that the children were failures, please stop this. You have a way of misrepresenting the facts. Dr. C, is not coming back next year. No one called the students a failure that is so far from the truth. We all agree that the scores are getting lower. You know what the editor need to close this blog, because this blog serve no purpose,
Vicki Russo
9:07 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
I would like to make a comment on Mr Hayden Moore as the candidate for the WOHS next Principle. I am glad to see he will be appointed next BOE meeting. The comments I have read regarding the capabilities of Mr Moore are appalling. I have met Mr Moore and talked with him (as a concerned citizen) about his vision for the HS under his tenure if appointed. He explained he has worked in this district for many years. He has already been the assistant principle at the WOHS. I have been in the HS and seen him interact with the students and I have witnessed students see Mr. Moore in the hallway of the HS and come up to greet him. From my observance, he is well-liked among the student body. He has the educational background. He wants to make the HS Number 1 in NJ. He wants to bring new and exciting things to the student body at the HS. He wants to help improve moral at the HS among the administrators. What more do you people from a qualified candidate? I personally feel promoting from within is a much easier transition for a department to keep moving forward than bringing a brand new person into the district that nobody is familiar with. Everybody has been bitching about him since his arrival. Please stop bashing Mr. Moore until he has actually done something to deserve being slammed. I am a HR Administrator & have worked with Fortune 500 companies all around the US so I can tell if a candidate is qualified by interviewing them and seeing their educational background.
Gladys
10:08 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Next BOE meeting at the HS on Monday. Come out and get involved. http://schools.woboe.org/Lists/Announcements/DispForm.aspx?ID=406&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fschools%2Ewoboe%2Eorg%2FPages%2FDefault%2Easpx
Tabla Rasa
11:30 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
@ Basic facts I did not say the town was 75% minority I said WOHS is ...or soon will be , that doesn't mean they can't learn or do not come from middle class families. However, we dont have an academic achievement gap in this country for nothing
I did not state that Spec. ed. and economically disadvantaged student could not learn nor did I imply that they were all minorities. My point is that we test students and base the effectiveness of schools and teachers to a degree on students with identified learning disabilities
As far as econ. disadv (no matter the ethinicity) its a matter of support at home when parents have to work 2 jobs, educational level of the parents (research ) are lower and access to outside support services such as additional tutoring that other middle class parent may be able to afford.
As far as the accuracy of my statistics, simply go to the BOE meeting and ask for these statistics it is a matter of public record. If you don't have the time ,go on line and go to the NJDOE website and look up the West Orange school districts report card. While the information is not quite up to date it should provide you with some limited insight as to the demographic changes of our school not necessarily our town.
I am not making this a racial thing, but when you have changes like this in schools, there has to be some understanding that the schools must change their focus and look at those groups that need the most help without neglecting other groups
leanna
11:52 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
What are the racial make up of this town? When you find your answer, then see if what u put out there make sense. Have a great day.
leanna
11:49 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
PLEASE CLOSE THE BLOG: IT SERVES NO PURPOSE. Let us respect the board decisions and hopee for the best for this district. @ Cynthia, no one call the students a failure, please let peace rein.
Ryan
2:05 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Leanna, you have been the most abusive of anyone in this thread, from your very first post. Maybe the editor should just block you.
Alan Sanders
1:05 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Brad,
Are you the moderator with the authority to close this blog or do you mean that you agree that this blog should be closes. The English on this blog is sometimes so garbled and ungrammatical that it's hard to be sure whether to take you literally.
Alan Sanders
1:06 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
That should read 'closed?' not 'closes.'
Raymond Helfrich
1:56 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Editor:
Are you taking votes?
Please don't delete any posts or close this discussion--I find it all very amusing!
Thank you.
Ryan
2:05 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Agreed.
WO Citizen
2:32 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Let's wait and see what the BOW had to say before jumping to conclusions
CC Minton
2:39 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
@Deb Harvest . . . . . With all the mayhem, thanks for bringing clarity to the situation. Not for nothing, you do attend 99% of the BOE meetings. I'm starting to wonder who most of the folks are with all the comments. Hope to see them on Monday.
Leanna
2:58 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
No Cynthia, I would not show up.....I have a fulltime job....It pays very well.....Why would I unmasked myself to you......I can donate some food to the pantry.......In all seriousness we have better things to do........Ryan....abusive..............no...........I am just having a good time spilling out the facts.....this blog is like the National Enquirer.................I bet the whole West Orange is reading.......
Cynthia Cumming
6:02 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Exactly, "Leanna". And again, everyone posting 'facts' needs to check them.
Jason, I am at almost every BOE and have been very involved in the school district for 14 years... I am a big advocate and supporter for our schools and staff. Thanks to Deb Harvest for her post, and CC yours as well. No one really knows what is happening here. Once again an article thread has been hijacked so that folks can post their 'facts'...
Michelle Cadeau
3:04 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Not that it matters really but I see references to blogs. This is NOT a blog. This is a forum or maybe just comments on a website. But by no means a blog. A blog is something that one person (or more in few cases) write. It is their blog - think diary or more extensive Facebook. This is NOT a blog and we are not bloggers.
Tabla Rasa
3:42 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
As I see it still there are some people with some axes to grind.....and it all screams PERSONAL
if you disagree with the BOE to appoint Mr. Moore , stand up and say so, but please make sure when you say why............that you base your reasoning on fact ....anything less is personal, and subjective
Dr. Cavanna , and his suspension should be addressed at the next BOE meeting if it is not I will ask this I promise, but to sit and speculate and start rumors about either the board or the reasons for the suspension....plain stupid
The Edison school being a Focus school from the comments I have read from a few who have made comments about it being a bad school, has anyone asked or found out why the school was put on this list? and what is being done about it? All I see is comments on the the principal being bad , the teachers are against him , and the commentators that are on here do not had a good opinion of the man or school..then it goes into qualification, color, and one was even commenting on his ability to speak the only question I would have is did any of you bring up your concerns to the board so that they can be addressed?
Tabla Rasa
3:43 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
and last is the racial issue for the past 15 years the schools have been experiencing white flight.....meaning the white residents stay in town but send their children to private schools, has anyone looked into that phenomenon and the impact it has had on test scores and the reputation of our schools.
West orange is a diverse township and with that comes the good and the bad on this message board I can see the good and the bad ...except now the ugly is apparent
Jason
5:18 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Really? White flight? I do believe that this post need to be closed....because many of these people posting on here must be on crack....Now West Orange is experiencing white flight....The topic is superintendent suspended......White flight means that whites move out when minorities move in......come on stop this nonsense......Tabla, Leanna, Cynthia, etc. you should stop this nonsense now.Also Mr. editor, stop writing topic that is flaring up these people. We know the system is not the best...but come on, why are you now writing that Dr. C is seeking job elsewhere?I would run too, he was swimming in shark infested waters. Many other will follow soon. You post things like 75% minorities in the schools, special education is the problem, principals are weak, come on everyone, have a good weekend, andstop all of this back and forth. Ask yourself, do you really love West Orange?
Jason
5:26 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Tabla rass claut, time to be quiet. Take a time out, because if you get into race , I am going to start posting too.
Tabla Rasa
10:01 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
@Jason the phenomenon of white flight is not relgated solely to a race of people leaving a residence/ town because another race moves in....that has another name. The flight that I speak is an actuality. If you take West Orange township census data and compare it to the West Orange school demographic data , you will see exactly who is attending our schools and who isn't.
This phenomenon has taken place in a number of towns in New Jersey, so its not racist to say....its fact!
check the town of Teaneck, NJ ...if you want a prime example of this phenomenon.
Since you said you would keep posting, if I did please do , because I am not posting anything that is not factual or anything that can't be proven by district data, or census data. Nor am I afraid of talking about race and education when anything I post can be proven, and said with respect to the topic.
Why is that when speaking of the demographic change in the SCHOOLS, not the town itself, do people get upset and call it racist. Are these people afraid to admit the reality of who is attending the schools.
The question is what do we do instead of worrying about Supt. and board who can't collaborate to do what is right for all students.
Simply check the data......NJDOE website ......West Orange District School Report Card....its all there
Basic Fact
8:45 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
I dont have to know Hayden , and my statement is not personal, What I do know is that the past 4 principals were recruited from within. I do believe that a principal should have at least a doctorate in Educational Leadership and 4 years experience. I also know that he has no princiapl experience. The high school is what prepare us for college. Yes, most of the children are selected for colleges, but how many are accepted to prestigious universities? How many can look back and say let me go back and help West Orange, because you know I did not start well, but I end well. It seems as if we are resigned to the fact that many of our children are not doing well so let us give up on that segment of the population. I dont have to be there for his appointment on Monday. Neither do I have to be sad if he is appointed. I know West Orange gave me an education where I could attend a prestigious university and now I very successful. I am the person who can put my son through private school, but what about the 90% will they have the opportunity?
Lisa
9:03 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Mr. A was not recruited from within. He came from NYC,he had a much larger job in NY than he had here.
Michelle Cadeau
9:00 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
on the 'white flight': I for one think that people taking their children out from the public school because there are too many monirities is a good thing. Let them take their kids out and send them somewhere.
I would say there is a diversity non-flight here. We, and 'many many with us (the new West Orangian) came here and still come here because of the diversity. So by all means let the 'white flight' continue (if there is any) for the diverse friendly people to move in!
Basic Fact
9:01 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Back then when I was growing up no one experiment with our education. There were fewer minorities and some started out slowly. I will not be there for his appointment on Monday, but I pray that we will realize that this is not an experiment, this is about making this system the best. West Orange residents, what are you afraid of? Why do we sit back and accept everything we are given? I have an excellent education, but in all essence I would not ask to be the principal of the High School, because I think this is too important to experiment with. Is there a mentoring program in West Orange to mentor principals? No, but in New York, they have a program where principals are mentored for two years, before they are given the opportunity to lead a School. I am happy that he was a VP. Yet again, I am senior VP, but when our CEO was fired after years of doing a great job, then the company started to decline under him, none of us were given the task to run the company, because it was too important to experiment with. I am troubled when people say the board is happy with Hayden. Parents are you happy? These are your children. I am not saying that he will not do well, but he was appointed by a man who they would not consider rehiring. This said man, appointed the past 4 principals based on race and ethnicity, not on qualification. A House divided against itself cannot stand. We will be having this discussion in 2 years.
Lisa
9:04 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Basic,
The Principal mentoring is a law in NJ now as well. Hayden will need to be mentored for two years just as if he was in New York.
Alan Sanders
9:37 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Qualifications and experience can be very important but it's not magic. Talent and smarts can also be very valuable but lack of experience and training can leave gaps. Cavanna has all the formal qualifications and yet his legacy is controversial. Everybody has the answer and in reality nobody has the answer. Just sayin'
Deb Harvest
12:27 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Community Members, Please remain focused on leadership and the children. Test scores do not define the success of a district. My two children were educated in WO from K – 12. They were taught by extraordinary teachers and were prepared for college and their professional careers. Currently, they have wonderful professional relationships with many of the teachers that taught them. This is not about the quality of instruction in WO. This is about providing leadership and teachers with the autonomy to do the job that they are hired to do. While everyone is trying to find private schools for their children, check to see how many of the teachers have college degrees. Private schools are not under the same regulations as public schools. If they were, you will find many of them are not as successful as they claim to be.
It does not matter which interim superintendent is hired to fill the position. If he/she does not have a district leadership team that shares his/her vision, mission, and goals, we will have the same mess. The leadership team reports to the superintendent not the Board.
Additionally, the Board has to concern themselves with policies, school budget, and accountability from the superintendent. There should not be power plays, micromanaging, or pressure to hire one’s friends or family members.
john anthony prignano
9:26 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Deb Harvest " Test scores do not define the success of a district ." O.K. ,then what does ?
Gary Englert
10:27 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
The most succinct and eloquent summary concerning the futility of comparing one school to another (and their standardized test scores) may be found here:
http://blog.nj.com/njv_kathleen_obrien/2012/05/where_your_high_school_ranks_-.html
Deb Harvest
12:28 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
There is a lack of Educational practices, procedures, and transparency in this District. Accountability begins with the Board of Education. Dr. C has not recommended four principals based on race and/or ethnicity. He is suspended. Someone else will have to recommend the next principal. The former superintendent recommended the principal of Edison. Less we not forget, the superintendent recommends and the board approves.
Finally, I don’t understand how a superintendent is suspended (with pay) pending an investigation, when we have two board members that are being investigated still on the job, making decisions that will effect our children. The best thing this community can do is to educate themselves on the role of the Board of Education and attend the Board meetings.
Gary Englert
8:46 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
@ Deb Harvest: Due process and innocence until proven guilty are the fundamental legal precepts that are in full force and effect here, both with Dr. Cavanna's suspension and the allegations made against two sitting Board members.
The difference between the two is that the former is a salaried employee while the latter are unpaid volunteers.
Accordingly, suspending Dr. Cavanna with pay is indicated until such time as the reasons for his removal for cause have been appropriately presented (to the CountySuperintendent and State DOE, I believe) and adjudicated...which I believe will happen in relatively short order (weeks, not months).
Further, the allegations lodged against the Board will also receive a review and hearing, in due course and, pending that process, the duly elected Board members should not be sanctioned in any way.
While I have no dog in that fight, I am also aware that the allegations were made by the head of the WOEA (the teacher's union) and that such happenings are far from unusual in the testy waters of collective bargaining.
That said, I don't know what "lack of Educational practices, procedures, and transparency in this District" you perceive as I don't see it.
By law and common practice, matters of personnel and potential litigation are kept confidential and that is in the best interest of the school district and taxpayers.
Alan Sanders
10:36 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Re: Gary Englert's link to Peg O'Brien's article on high correlation between affluent demographics and top performance, I have no doubts that she's correct. Nevertheless, I have been told by someone well versed in the West Orange (High?) School's performance statistics that they have recently plunged significantly from roughly the 75th percentile to the 50th percentile amongst it's demographic peer group. Taken at face value I don't know how to interpret it as other than an administrative failure.
Gary Englert
12:49 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
@ Alan Sanders: You might be confusing the recent state-wide change in the methodoly of computing graduation rates, which essentially assigns the end performance of every student to the district/school at which they begin 9th grade, with their mobility (and where they matriculate from that point on) being inconsequential.
Accordingly, graduation rates plummeted everywhere.
Further, I would caution you that our "demographic peer group" (actually District Factor Group) is based primarily on household income and little else.
Accordingly, West Orange rates among the weathier districts in the state, while the actual population of the schools does not reflect such affluence...with +/- 30% of the students qualifying for free or subsidized lunch programs.
Further, some 20% of the student population is classified as "special needs students" and another 5% have limited English proficiency.
Look for another school in our District Factor Group with comparable challenges and you won't find one.
Tabla Rasa
2:35 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Dr. Cavanna's administrative recommendations during his tenure
Dr. Joanna Pollara (Principal) Pleasantdale Elem.
Ed. Acevedo (Principal) Hazel Elem
Eric Price (Principal) St. Cloud Elem
Lionel Hush (Principal) Roosevelt MS
Alex Rosenwald (District Science Supervisor)
Frank I annucci (6-12 Math Supervisor)
Darlene Berg (K-8 Math Supervisor)
Cheryl Butler (District Guidance Director)
Connie Salimbeno (Director , Special Services)
Fil Santiago (Director of Technology)
Ron Bligh (Director of PE/ AD)
*Hayden Moore (Principal) West Orange HS
*Jim Aquavia (Language Arts Supervisor)
*Marc Lawrence (Social Studies Supervisor)
*= set to be appointed 7/23/12
Non Reappointments
Terry Caliste (District Math Supervisor)
Debbie Bartley Carter (District Language Arts Supervisor)
I am quite sure I missed one or two appointments, but my point is, is that the appointments to the district administration and supervisor ranks have been as diverse as the district itself. This is fact , check board meeting minutes on the district website.
Here comes a question to ponder ;
Are the teaching ranks as diverse in the schools and are the appointments made in the last three years as diverse as the appointments in the administrative and supervisor ranks?
I only posted this because of a poster stated Dr. Cavanna only appointed black principals , but my research turned up more than that
Lam
9:54 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Hi Tabla, I have a feeling that you work with the BOE. What is your point? Too much time on your hand, just thinking. People can say what they what to say, but this is about superintendent suspended. Great advocacy work, they should appoint you Public Advocate, you may get close to $150,000. LMAO. Some of you are really serious, and have some serious axe to grind. Wow calm down, everyone!
Tabla Rasa
2:37 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
I guess you guys can look into their qualifications , I just wanted to show facts
Jaime
12:09 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
The ranks of America's poor are on track to climb to levels unseen in nearly half a century, erasing gains from the war on poverty in the 1960s amid a weak economy and fraying government safety net.
Census figures for 2011 will be released this fall in the critical weeks ahead of the November elections.
The Associated Press surveyed more than a dozen economists, think tanks and academics, both nonpartisan and those with known liberal or conservative leanings, and found a broad consensus: The official poverty rate will rise from 15.1 percent in 2010, climbing as high as 15.7 percent. Several predicted a more modest gain, but even a 0.1 percentage point increase would put poverty at the highest since 1965.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/22/us-poverty-on-track-to-rise-to-highest-since-160s/?test=latestnews#ixzz21SjcdpNH
Jaime
12:10 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Let us blame Bush for the decline, and the increase in title 1. See article above lol.
Brett Kaiser
12:38 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
I hope we can survive the next 3 years...then we are done
What, by the way, is the BOE's Charter?
Anyone got a copy? I betcha WOPL has it
Gladys
1:08 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Don't forget the BOE meets tonight at 8pm at WOHS. The Board will approve the contracts of Dr Rando ($199,132) and business admin Mark Kenney ($195,966). Still no teacher contract. Should be a very interesting meeting.
tabalas
11:43 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
OMG, Rambling Rambo is now acting superintendent.....We are in trouble.......Stupid meeting tonight......The new Principal was shaking when he gave his speech........He badly needs a course in public speaking....All the African Americans were so excited.....But he must have disappointed them with his speech......Think about it Hush was just a little better last year.......One board member abstained.....She did not want the children blood on her shoulder.....Hayden first suggestion, get a course in public speeeeeeeaking.......
Gary Englert
8:54 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
This post (above) is largely nonsense and supercritical to a fault, as those in attendance willing to put a name and face to their opinion will surely attest.
The only vote on which a Board member abstained (Mrs. Lab) concerned the hourly hiring of students for summer employment (an annual occurrence).
Tabalas
10:02 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Gary I am not using assume name.....I am just not known in the district.....My name is Gina Tabalas......look it up in the housing department.....441 Walker Road..............West Orange, NJ 07052..........
Ryan
10:13 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Gary beat me to it. Unlike whatever happened in tabalas' parallel reality, here in this universe the board vote on Principal Moore's appointment was unaminously, 5-0, in favor. No one abstained.
barry_geltzeiler
10:24 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
last house on Walker Road is 413
tabalas
11:50 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Dr. Rambo realised that West Orange parents are guuuuullliiiiibleee, so she just told them, to become a focus needy school...they measured the scores of a disadvantaged group against Asians who are doing well and then put Edison on focus watch..........That is so not true...............Prediction.....6 years and you will be ashamed to live in this town..........Hayden salary is $150,957.......Get a course in public speeeeakinnnnng......It willlllllllllllllllll do youuuuuuu very well.....Principaaals should not use ghetto slang................
Gary Englert
8:54 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
This post (above) is largely nonsense and supercritical to a fault, as those in attendance willing to put a name and face to their opinion will surely attest.
Ryan
10:25 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
The fact that a black person speaks does not make it "ghetto slang". Pretty weird to read sniping about proper English from someone who only appears to know one punctuation mark, the "....................".
Mr. Moore's speech was fine. He spoke like a well educated person which is what he is.
tabalas
11:58 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
That little old lady acted out tonight..........she called the board uneducated.....my Ally..............girl u acted like u were on something.....why were u cursing out that old black lady like that..............second why did you blame the children for the failure.......third, you fell short of telling everyone why Dr. C was terminated.....what information did the board gave you? You apologized to them for defending Dr. C. I am going to tell him to have you subpea_____________. You actually told everyone that he knew why Dr. C was fired, and you are sorry for defending him.................Not good my girl....not good_____________. Learn to behave yourself.
Mary
2:35 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Brett, you were referring to Gary and John when you made that comment. Well said Gary! He and John has so many postings attacking each other, they should apologize to the residents.
Gary Englert
2:43 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Mary,
It has possibly escaped your notice but, virtually every one of Mr. Prignano's posts veer off topic and manage to attack someone who is actually involved in trying to make a difference in the community...while he himself id devoid of any such credentials of his own.
Rather that attacking him, I simply defende myself (and others) from his repetitive and combative nonsense.
"Lies unchallenged can become the accpeted truth." ~ Joseph Goebbels
Brett Kaiser
1:35 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I have a suggestion...but I don't know if it can be done, but NO Posts by anonymous people..if you have to say something, make sure we know who you are...cowards
Gary Englert
8:32 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Brett Kaiser: There is nothing preventing websites from requiring posters to use their verifiable identities to provide commentary; the owners formulate the rules and the User Agreement and doing so is nothing less than print medial has done forever when publishing letters to the editor.
The anonymity currently allowed has nutured a virus of incivility and, yes, the prose is often defamatory nonsense and those writing it are truly cowards...and civil discourse would surely improve if it was curtailed.
Brett Kaiser
10:12 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Gary,
Just a thought. People behave better (sometimes) in the construct of a social environment. It's important because we need to focus as a town on Goals that make it the best of all possible worlds here. Seems more people just want to tear down things....for no better purpose than to make themselves feel important.
Gary Englert
3:06 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Brett,
The folks who want to "tear things down" are, in general, anonymous and hiding behind screen names; how such cowadice could possibly make them "feel important" is beyond me.
The others who fall into the same category are either bitter, have a political agenda or are abysmally ill-informed but, a least they put a name, face and reputation (good or bad) behind their opinions.
The Internet could be source of civil diiscourse and valuable community information but, anonymous posting is surely helping to preclude it from being so.
Vicki Russo
8:11 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
tabalas
Why are you just a hater towards Mr. Moore. I thought he did a great job. He was speaking alittle softer so get the crowd calm because usually these BOE mtgs are unruly. I liked his speech and his message. Stop hating on Mr. Moore
Vicki
Tabalas
9:58 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Ok Vicki, I will calm down..........................But think about it......It is a good idea for him to do a course in public speaking..................All those comments from the board that he is very nice and all the children know his name is not convincing.................Leaders are born..............Leaders are not friendly to everyone.............but who knows this type of passive/ aggressive leadership may work......I was just not convince by the comments that he is nice................oh there was comment that he calm the special ed kids down, but to the contrary they said that all the special education kids were placed out of district. I am confused..........Nothing is wrong with leaders getting a public speaking course..............not hating on him........
Alan Sanders
9:07 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I couldn't make the meeting and this chaotic dialogue is my main source of information on what's going on in the school system. Can anybody tell me why board meetings aren't videoed like council meetings are, and posted on the BOE site to be viewed on a computer at the convenience of those who can't make meetings? A little transparency please.....
Gary Englert
9:38 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Alan Sanders: The lead article on today's Patch (link below) is a reasonably accurate summary of the meeting, which can be confirmed by a similar description on The Alternative Press.
(http://westorange.patch.com/articles/board-of-ed-appoints-new-wohs-principal)
The "chaotic dialogue" that follows most stories here is just that and I would guard against accepting any of the ramblings posted anonymously as gospel.
The Board of Education routinely rotates its meetings among the public schools and (unlike Council Chambers which is hard wired) each is not equipped with direct audio feed capability (from the PA system to video camera).
Accordingly, on a technical level, getting intelligible audio is difficult and the cost of bringing in people/equipment (to a succession of schools) is daunting.
I'd venture a guess that only a veritable handful of people watch the Council Meetings, which have been available on TV36 for years.
barry_geltzeiler
10:10 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
email me and i will furnish you my phone number and give you a synopsis of last night
bsgeltz@yahoo.com
Alan Sanders
10:12 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Gary,
The handful who watch council meetings are more likely to be in the handful who make their voices heard at meetings and at election time. The educated resident is the best citizen. It would probably be a greater service to the citizenry to have BOE meetings where recording is possible than keeping the veil on the goings and comings of the board.
Gary Englert
10:24 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Alan Sanders: FYI...you're preaching to the choir as I was one of those on the forefront of getting Council meetings taped and rebroadcast +/- 17 years ago and I recognize it to be a valuable tool in keeping the citizenry informed.
Accordingly, I also became fairly well versed in the technical/financial issues (it isn't easy and it isn't cheap) and how wide (or not) the viewership is; in a Township of 45,000, only a veritable handfull tune in.
That said, as they conduct business in public, the only matters behind any "veil" (and that pertains to both the Council and Board of Ed) are matters of personnel and litigation/potential litigation...and that is how it should be to protect the public's interest and pocketbook.
Alan Sanders
10:23 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Gary, thanks for the link. I misspoke (wrote?). I had seen the Patch article. I should have said that the Patch is my main, virtually only, source of information on the happenings in the school system.
Alan Sanders
10:34 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Gary,
While conducting business in public, gives the appearance of transparency, given how few residents, percentage-wise get to the meetings, posting them and leaving them online for future reference would greatly improve access the publicly conducted business of the BOE.
Jake Freivald
4:42 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
This is a very important point. Having the actual words spoken by the BOE (or council, or state senate, etc.) members can be very helpful in holding people accountable.
Gary Englert
10:48 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Alan,
First, I think that there is significant benefit (and good reason) for the Board to rotate its meetings among the various school buildings and neighborhoods as, not only does it expand the opportunities for people to attend in person, it gives the Board an opportunity to survey the facilities they manage.
Traditionally, the Board meeting at a particular school becomes an event heralded by that school's PTA toward encouraging attendance from interested people/parents in that neighborhood...and toward addressing the specific issues at that school.
I'm of a mind to believe that does more to encourage actual involvement than holding the meetings in (what of necessity would be) one place in order to record them.
As Tip O'Neil said, "Politics is all local" and so is public education.
The Board is actually enouraging the active participation of the community and furthering transparency...not thta it has evern been anything but transparent in its operation.
Alan Sanders
11:03 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Gary,
West Orange is small enough for any site to be considered local to any resident. I believe that the transparency from posting the meetings online would outweigh the loss of attendees because the one meeting site is too far. The Council meetings are held at one site.
Gary Englert
11:22 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Alan,
I've never suggested there would be a reduction in Board meeting attendance by taping and posting the meeting, I simply don't believe it will result in any significant increase in citizen involvement; people just don't watch these things.
Further, creating the stationary feeds necessary for decent audio means establishing a fixed location for the meetings...and that keeps the Board from getting our and into the schools they manange...and that would be a detriment.
Yes, Council Meetings are held in one site but, the business of the Council is significantly different than the Board of Education...an enterprise whose foundation is the neighborhood school.
Council Meetings are also, with few exceptions, very poorly attended.
Alan Sanders
11:19 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Additionally, if surveying the facilities they manage is important, the BOE should do it even if meetings are not held there. After all how much time passes before a meeting rotates back to any school, many months I would guess. Members could even take turns on doing one survey visit for each BOE meeting and report back to the group.
Gary Englert
11:26 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Alan,
A position on the Board of Education is unpaid, voluntary position and one of the most thankless on the planet.
I'm not inclined to make it even more diffiuclt and time consuming than it already is.
Having the group (as a whole) to a walk through (customary) with the principal and engineering/professional staff is one hell of a lot more effective than getting a single persons observations in writing.
Alan Sanders
11:38 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Judging from what I've heard, I think that being a BOE member has been far from thankless and unrewarding. I say, make walk-throughs part of the job description. I vote for increased access to meetings via online posting - not that there's going to be an 'election'.
john anthony prignano
12:40 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Adam, What you heard is correct . Niclola Salese is employed by the Township at a base salary of $104,248. Nicolina Salese is employed by the WO Board of Ed at a base salary of $55,728. Nicola Salese is also employed by the WO Board of Ed at a base salary of $29,480. Doctor Andrew Brafman, D.D.S. did not recuse himself from the Health Plan negotiations with the Teacher's Union , It's a very generous plan.The teachers demonstrably show their gratitude to Doctor Brafman . Former Board member Patti Stansfield teaches in another district . Laura Lab's son works for the Board .Michele Casalino's maiden name is Lemma. Lemma Fencing did the work at O Conner Park . I'm sure that that's her brother's company . Many years ago, there was a front page article in the Star Ledger about declining school enrollments . West Orange experienced a huge decline . Teacher /Board member Pat Urso said "It was really something. There were classes with 9 and 10 children in them ." She wouldn't have advocated for layoffs or class consolidations if there were more teachers than students . When William Paterson Professor William Willis ran for the Board, he said he "would take a hard look at all spending, ....but the teachers HAVE to be paid ." As a Board member , he literally fought for much higher starting salaries . After achieving his goal , he said " We were determined to get those salaries up there "?? It's called paying it forward .A former Board members offspring {s? } teach in West Orange.
Gary Englert
1:01 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Clearly, Mr. Prignano doesn't know the first thing about the difference between rumor, innuendo, accusation, fact or actionable proof...as his post is rife with the first three and completely lacking in the last two.
First and foremost, just because a Board member is a medical professional does not suggest he would possibly need to recuse himself from negotiations concerning an employee benefits package and, in fact, his expertise might well be invaluable to such negotiations.
The question (concerning recusal) would be: Is there a conflict of interest insofar as the Board member reaping any direct benefit from the decisions made in the matter at hand?
The answer is clearly, no, he would not...as even if a covered district employee wound up in his dental chair, how Dr. Brafman's fees might be paid for has no bearing on his compensation for the work performed; the patient has some level of insurance coverage or he/she does not.
The simple fact of the matter remains that, in response to declining enrollment 25 years ago, the (then) Board of Education took what was the (then) proscribed and drastic action of selling one of the two existing high schools and one elementary school, closed a second elementary school (and converted it to the Board's offices) and leased a third elementary school to a private vendor.
This also resulted in a substantial reduction in force; proof positive of either Mr. Prignano's lack of historical perspective or selective memory.
Gary Englert
1:32 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Alan,
I'd challenge you to qualify "what (you've) heard" as I simply don't see an unpaid position, taking a significant devotion of one's time and being the brunt of the ire of an irrational and often ill-informed public to be a day at the beach.
If the "reward" is knowing one had tried to give back and contribute to the greater good, one gives a great deal of time, effort, energy and patience for that scant satisfaction.
Raymond Helfrich
12:07 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I think that anybody who can get to a meeting in W.O. can get to it in any location, so rotating the venue doesn't make sense to me. What seems more important would be to capture/broadcast/stream/archive them, electronically.
Gary Englert
12:31 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
@Raymond Helfirich:
While getting around West Orange, or to one school or another therein, is not the equivalent of a Himalayan trek by llama, what "seems important to you" disregards the very essential cog that neighborhood schools are to the district and that each is essentially a separate community that needs to be engaged.
It also denies the practical necessity of the Board (as a group and with relevant staff) periodically surverying each facility within its charge.
You are also failing to appreciate that only 19% of the electorate bothered to vote in the last municipal election and that a far lesser number voted in the last school board election; prima fascia evidence that the level of apathy and disinterest is troubling...and that posting videos on-line or local access TV isn't going to change that.
Just how, for example, would you drive viewers to watch these things?
Jake Freivald
4:38 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I think Raymond is spot-on in this. Plenty of people watch the council meetings when they're broadcast; there's no reason to believe that making BOE meetings more available could make participation worse, and plenty of reason to believe that untethering participation from a TV time slot or a fixed physical location could make participation better.
I'm not sure what primo fascia boards have to do with anything, though....
Gary Englert
10:36 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Jake,
I am certainly not suggesting that taping, rebroadcasting or the posting on-line of Board of Ed meeting will make participation worse but, I don't see any empircal evidence it will be made any better...and if doing so necessitates the meetings being held in a fixed place, that is surely detrimental.
I was among those who (in the interest of transparency) successfully fought to have Council Meetings televised (circa 1996) and, while great in theroy, what has been the practical result?
Has voter participation improved?
Hardly, the high water mark was 13,000 turning out in 1994 and all other local elections pale in comparison since.
Do we have a more informed electorate?
Based on the commentary seen here and on other websites (presumably by people with some interest in local affairs) and forgetting any political agendas, the lack of basic knowledge of procedures and protocols is startling.
Long story short is that you can lead a horse to water but, you can't make them drink and, based on practical experience (voter turnout) and absent any evidence to the contrary, I don't believe televising local meeting reaches any significant audience...though I remain open minded about it.
Prima fascia (Latin for "on first appearance") is commonly used legal parlance suggesting a thing is presumed to be true (voter apathy) unless proven otherwise.
One of the few things a 40 plus year lapsed Catholic took with them of value is a some knowledge of Latin. :-)
Jake Freivald
11:43 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Gary, the "primo fascia boards" comment was a (probably lame) joke: Fascia boards are an architectural feature, while "prima facie" is what you were going for.
While I understand where you're coming from, I still disagree. There are two things to consider.
One, increased awareness and participation. I was surprised to discover, when I was running, just how many people watch the town council meetings on TV, and how informed they are as a result. (If you're part of the cause of that, then good for you.) I tend to get my news from web pages, downloads, podcasts, and the like, rarely tying myself to a TV for any particular length of time: Studies show that much of the US is moving in that direction as well, so for the same reasons you wanted TV, it makes sense to want streaming or downloadable video. I can tell you that when West Orange Grassroots was launched, it made it far easier for me to be well-informed; the movement to put council meetings on the westorange.org is a big plus for the same reason (though I wish it were downloadable as well as streaming, so I could watch on the train).
The second reason is, as Alan Sanders points out, the research that becomes possible and the accountability that can stem from having your spoken words easily accessible. That alone is a tremendous boon to transparency and accountability.
Gary Englert
4:22 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Jake Freivald:
I stand corrected as to my mangling the spelling of "prima facie," though my knowledge of the phrase and its etymology are accurate...and yes, I am aware that "fascia" is an architectural term.
That said, while your experience campaigning (and how ever many people referenced watching Council meetings) is subjective, my conclusions about the efficacy of it all are a tad more objective and based on measurable data over time: voter participation has not increased at all since Council Meetings started being televised.
Accordingly, I think some cost-benefit analysis should be undertaken before devoting more time and resources to any more of these intiatives...and, yes, that is coming from a guy who led the charge in the first place.
I'd be proud as punch to look at any hard data available that indicates any significant number of people actually view these things (on-line or otherwise) and maintain an open mind that it actually might serve a purpose but, I doubt very many give a damn.
Insofar as rotating Board of Ed meetings among the various schools, I maintain that this is a valuable exercise for both the Board and the public alike; the former because it allows them (and their support staff) to survey the buildings they manage and, the latter, as it exposes people from other neighborhoods to facilites they would otherwise never visit and to see the challenges/triumphs as they are, throughout the district.
Alan Sanders
2:08 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Re:"Clearly, Mr. Prignano doesn't know the first thing about the difference between rumor, innuendo, accusation, fact or actionable proof...as his post is rife with the first three and completely lacking in the last two. ..."
Gary for someone who was commenting on the lack of civility on this list I'm dismayed that you should strike such a tone. Would it not be possible to make your salient points without such a disparaging tone?
Jake Freivald
4:34 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
In short, no. It's really not possible for him. :)
Gary Englert
2:35 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Alan,
Rather obviously, you are unaware of Mr. Prignano's repetitive, personal attacks on myself and others, not to mention his penchant for rambling off topic at every opportunity.
My post (above) is emphatic and to the point and nothing more.
Does Mr. Prignano connect the dots and offer any proof of nepotism or favoritism being at play here?
No, he does not...he is simply disparaging the reputations of people who have done what he never has: contribute positively to the community.
The absolute truth of the matter is that the man launched two ill-conceived and poorly executed campaigns for mayor ('94 & '98) and had a dismal showing at each outing.
His source of animosity toward me?
I ran the victorious 1998 campaign that had him on the losing end of an 80% plurality at the polls.
The man holds a grudge and it's no more complicated than that.
Alan Sanders
9:32 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Jake Freivald wrote: 'Having the actual words spoken by the BOE (or council, or state senate, etc.) members can be very helpful in holding people accountable.'
Wish I'd said that, Jake. Not only can that be valuable but it can affect the behavior of BOE members. That what sunshine laws are all about. Definition of 'Sunshine Laws' U.S. federal and state laws requiring regulatory authorities' meetings, decisions and records to be made available to the public.
Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/sunshinelaws.asp#ixzz21as0N6hv
Brett Kaiser
12:46 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
I think these are the Board bylaws
http://schools.woboe.org/Board/Board%20Policies/Forms/AllItems.aspx
Brett Kaiser
8:57 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
OK..SO is the Star Ledger Correct? Is this Farce, about "Legally" Not allowed to say why the BOE suspended Dr. C, actually against the law?
To Quote: "State Law allows public bodies to go into closed sessions under *limited* circumstances, including to discuss personal matters. The LAW REQUIRES the PUBLIC Body, BEFORE Entering such a session, to state as PRECISELY AS POSSIBLE, the time when and the circumstances under which the discussion conducted in the closed session of the PUBLIC body can be disclosed to the PUBLIC."
Labor Counsel Philip Stern said he HOPES that there will be some level of resolution in place by the NEXT board meeting on August 28th.
That DOES NOT Sound like the letter of the law, nor does it seem like there was ANY REASON to keep dragging this on. NOT Only that, it APPEARS that a Date, "As Prcesley as possible" MUST Have been set BEFORE Any Closed sessions or discussion (formal or informal, I guess) where to have taken Place.
Or is this ALL Wrong.
Oh, and Star Ledger: "Welcome to the Party, Pal. Better Late than Never" -- JM
Gary Englert
9:33 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Brett Kaiser: There's no "farce" that I can see and I believe gave a date for "possible resolution/public discussion" as "precisely as possible."
These things are dnegotiated and concluded behind closed doors to protect everyone's rights and position...both the employee's and the school board (read taxpayers).
Brett Kaiser
11:09 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
My Biggest Fear, is that BOE is playing a game, that they are bending the rule of law, and that the township is going get sued. Not to mention the fact that it might just be a personal thing between the 2 parties. It had better be strictly Business. and they had better not have overstepped their bounds. I would put good money down, 8/28 goes by with out resolution.
Brett Kaiser
10:30 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Well, today SHOULD be the day....Anyone want to place a friendly wager? I'll bet NOTHING is said tonight. Any takers?
>> Labor Counsel Philip Stern said he HOPES that there will be some level of resolution in place by the NEXT board meeting on August 28th.
Deb Harvest
9:52 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
The Board of Education, with the assistance of their labor counsel, and a few good friends will offer a buy-out (more than 3 month) to our former superintendent and sweep it under the rug as a personnel issue. This way, the town will be lead to believe that Dr. Cavanna committed some mysterious illegal activity. Note, to the community, if the former superintendent was a part of some type of illegal activity the DOE would have suspended him. At any rate, the community has a right to know the exact amount that the BOE has offered for the settlement.
Hope to see you at the BOE meeting scheduled for Wednesday, August 29.
Sue Freivald
12:59 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Um, I believe the next BOE meeting is tomorrow, Aug 29.
Tolstoy
1:51 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
My teen is new in-district & to the hs though we've lived here about 15 years (was in a parochial school previously). I was impressed with Mr. Agliomento's impact as principal and am sorry he retired. Was his retirement related to Dr. C's leadership? I have no facts just wondering. I do not know if it's accurate but heard Dr. A. had been brought in to 'clean up' the high school. I'm sorry he retired before my child graduated. My concern regarding Mr. Moore is not paper qualifications rather real-world ones. WOHS is a big place with lots of upper management/administration, and home for our kids for 4 years. We need someone who's been in the trenches and can keep the discipline and standards at a adequate level & work to upgrade them. I disagree with others about the riff-raff there - these are our kids & we as parents must share the blame/successes for their learning and behavior. Parents DO need to be involved, daily. I am. But we also need an experienced leader at the helm.
I am glad my child is willing to work hard and qualifies for honors courses - we learned (and told by other parents) early those are the 'only' good classes. it's the day to day learning us parents see that really matters. I'm glad my child is almost done there as I worry how Mr. Moore's inexperience will impact the school to maintain/upgrade its performance-for our kids sake. It affects our kids learning not only here but where they go in their educational lives next.
Vicki Russo
2:15 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Mr. A's retirement was planned when he took the job in West Orange. Dr. Cavanna was removed by the Board members with no explanation to the parents, citizens or anybody. The taxpayers are paying for 2 salaries in the Supt. position. I do not understand why you feel Mr. Moore is inexperienced. He has been in the district for over 15 yrs. He was the Asst. Principal during Mr. A's tenure and Mr. A & Dr. Cavanna choose Hayden Moore for the next principle. I have met with Mr. Moore and his concern over the kids welfare, education and future for the kids is the foremost issue for his job at the High School. Before the parents or new residents condemn him why don't you see how Mr. Moore operates in his new position. By the way, the staff at the HS is happy Mr. Moore was promoted to Principal. It seems to me if everyone who works or has worked with this man is complimentary and pleased with his appointment, we as residents should watch Mr. Moore excel WOHS in the community until we start throwing stones.
Kate Farrell
2:37 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Mr. Moore was the assistant principal and handled a multitude of responsibilities, including discipline, for the past several years. He has the respect of the students and has a new assistant principal team in place. He is putting in 12 hour days to make sure things are being addressed, whether schedules, personnel issues, or student issues. And what you have heard is not accurate... the honors classes are more challenging and contain a higher percentage of kids that want to do well academically, but the regular classes and teachers are also good. By the time a kid gets to high school, they've decided if they want to do well academically or not. While this challenges the school district in many ways, at the end of the day, they can't replace parent involvement or make students want to learn.
Vicki Russo
2:49 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Why are you responding that I have heard something incorrectly? I think you need to respond to Tolstoy not me. I am a FAN of Mr.Moore's.
Kate Farrell
9:24 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012
I was responding to Tolstoy! You must have posted at the same time I was posting my response. :)