Amazing...Maybe if the laws for car theft were harsher, there may be less of these crimes....can't think of how else to deal with these crimes that seem to be increasing.
I've had a car stolen and believe me it's ONE BIG HASSLE.

lock the valet parked car keys for one.bring the keys inside the place. surveillance cameras would have helped. Security on property would be a good start

How about locking the booth and cameras?

Good points....thanks.

My point was that no one seems to be afraid to get caught as more of these crimes seem to be happening....along with other type crimes.

There are some good suggestions.
A suggestion I would like to make is West Orange Police implement a "Stop and Frisk" program.
It would serve as a Real deterrent to out of towners (or residents) that regularly prey on West Orange residents and vistors and then escape onto 280
We would benefit with a Tuff on Crime Reputation

Tom,
you can't single people out and then stop and frisk them. You would be violating there fourth amendment.

The only thing the stop and frisk law has proven to do in NYC is cost the tax payer millions of dollars a year on settlements and court cost.

The taxes are high enough here. If you want yours to clime even higher, you're going about it the right way.

My recommendation would be to get the officers in white shirts out of the town hall and into a patrol car where they should be.

This is one reason I don't use valet services under any circumstance. Even in places that "require" valet I usually tell the attendant I will leave if they don't let me self park and I've never had an issue. There is no reason to give your car keys to a stranger.

David,
Btw use the search bar for the West Orange Patch and enter armed robbery or robbery you will find answers to some of your questions, along with some victims 69 year old woman, 63 year old man, teens, Women...

Tom, you can make all the predictably weak excuses you want, regurgitating all the extremist rhetoric you like as you attempt to defend the indefensible, none of it is a reasonable explanation of any legally applicable criteria you hope to suggest as a baseline for a lawful stop and frisk policy above and beyond what law enforcement presently uses. The policy you assert to support apparently has no substance, and I doubt it was ever meant to have any.

My "political correctness" as you call it, is my belief that the NJ Statutes and the Constitution are adequate to the task. You've offered nothing to challenge that beyond your transparently contempt driven innuendo. What you think of me as you hide in here and parrot extremist talking points, is irrelevant.

I would like to suggest residents use the search bar on the West Orange Patch and enter armed robbery or robbery you will find answers to some of David's questions about criminals using 280 to escape West Orange Police, and resident criminals, along with some victims a 69 year old woman, 63 year old man, 57 year old man, 46 year old woman, teens, Women...
These sort of crimes do NOT happen everywhere with such frequency.
I think we need WOPD to be more proactive in protecting the public.
Food for thought... What if one of the Valet workers confronted the perpetrators?
Would they have been Run over?
Beaten?
Shot?
What if one of your children were crossing the street and were struck by the speeding car?
What if your mother was driving on 280 and was struck?
What is going to take?

First of all, your dishonesty is very telling, as I've asked no such questions. I've mocked your attempt to make those points more relevant than they are within the context of the stop and frisk policy you've yet to specify but promote as though it's the solution to all West Orange's ills. I am well aware that criminals use 280 to escape justice for acts committed in this town. What I asked is what "town residents" use it to escape, as you suggested that they do. The WOPD need to be more "proactive" where? Are they supposed to be every and anywhere crime may be committed, before it happens? You can play that "what if" card all day long, it won't make your argument any stronger. It's not food for thought, it's ideologically motivated chewing gum. The facts remain that while ticking up slightly, crime is down overall. The Patch is not the FBI/UCR's, so I'll stick to the USDOJ for my crime stats. The WOPD is doing a great job, and you insult their service and dedication with these attempts to promote the contempt you apparently have not the courage to articulate specifics, as well as a transparent ideologically driven agenda.

David
Your reference to the violent crime surge that is occurring in West Orange as"ticking up slightly" is offensive.
Your strick reliance on reports rather than talking to people, merchants in the areas most effected by the surge in violent crime demonstrates your contempt for the victims and or the people that speak up.
I don't need to wait untill 2014 for 2013's crime report to know it is going up, or to act.
We need less paper shufflers and more "in your face" Policing in West Orange to deter criminals

Tom, Sad for you that facts offend you, but they are what they are. Yes, I rely upon facts and not the hype you seem to believe should rule the day. As to the "in your face" policing you believe is necessary to deter crime, that is the question, isn't it? How do we ID the faces you believe need to be "got in" for the sake of the contempt you seem to believe substitutes for real police work? I'm confident that I've confronted and arrested more real criminals than you've ever heard of in your life. But please feel free to explain to us which faces you figure the WOPD needs to "get in" for the sake of your desire to feed your passions while ignoring reality and the law. As to 2013 numbers, one need not wait for 2014 when the comparisons are made to the same period a year earlier. Again, let's not allow the facts to get in the way of your uninformed hyperbole. What exactly do you believe you're "speaking out" against? That has yet to established. Your disingenuous attempts to evoke sympathy are transparent, and nothing more than a poorly designed stunt, proffered for the sake of bolstering arguments that are otherwise catastrophic failures on the facts. Why else would you be so desperate to ignore facts in favor of your dishonest, irrational, legally absurd stop and frisk rants. When you even attempt to provide a legal criteria, then you get to preach about "in your face policing" and what you believe police "paper shufflers" contribute, or even who they are.

Talk about rants?
OMG...more Blah,Blah,Blah

In other words, you have nothing substantive to contribute, and you never did. When the cheering section for your contempt fails to show up, this is what you resort to. Your continued anonymity speaks volumes.

Why is it important who I am?
do you want to arrest me for my opinions?
Or maybe the old' PBA Bullying?
Will you all show up in your (PBA) Black T shirts to intimidate the public?
Or maybe you won't march in the parades? So sad
I am sorry if I have upset The Police Gods,That are satisfied with the "status quo"

The significance is that you're not willing to stand by your ridiculous assertions with your name and reputation attached. It is easy for you to pollute this forum with ridiculous talk of "PBA bullying" and "black T shirts," whatever that's supposed to mean, because you do so at risk to nothing but your easily interchangeable identity on this message board. As for your absurd talk of arresting you, that would be difficult to do as a retiree from an out of state law enforcement agency. What "status quo" might I be be protecting besides the constitution? No, I do not see it as an intelligent use of police resources to feed your apparent contempt, and the foolishness it conjures up in your head. You've yet to articulate this "stop and frisk" policy that you seem to believe would provide the police with the legal tools to stop anyone they deem "suspicious" by your questionable standards. Thankfully, the WOPD is smarter than that. The idiocy you speak of was once the status quo, and as I understand the UCR trends, crime is down significantly since the days of the "Tom says stop 'em because they look like they're up to something" crime prevention standard. With things like auto-theft incidents down from more than 500 more than a decade ago, to a number in the 70's annually, I'd say the "status quo" is doing a whole lot better than your contempt driven desire to anonymously mess with the "police Gods." Oh by the way, I was DEA, not PBA, know it all.

No I would say don't stop them, David said not to.
Because even after all of his experience and now that he is retired he still never developed a sense of who may or may not be "up to no good"and who cares anyway?
And besides it maybe too much paper work with no overtime...
Let's go get some doughnuts.

Spoken as is expected of your ethical and moral limitations. You duck the so called criteria you propose to apply to stop people, as you apparently have none other than your contempt for what you believe a criminal likely resembles, not what a likely criminals behavior will resemble. I don't expect you to know how to articulate the elements of such behavior, or how to describe what you would be looking for, as we all know by now what your criteria really comes down to. I'm sure I've forgotten more about spotting a criminal on the street than you've ever known, or ever will know. Hate mongering of a populace you're too much of a coward to attempt to understand, and envy of the police professionals that stand at the wall you never would, won't make the case you seem to believe it will for you.

Like I said, at the end of the day this is all about you being able to spew your questionable contempt for specific populations, as well as your law enforcement envy, from the safety of the anonymity that feeds your internet only activism.

Thank God you are retired.

Tom, Thank God you'll never have the privilege of being able to say you were on the job. That 50's television educated, contempt rooted mentality isn't good for anyone, not even you. It's the reason you hide as you deliver these childlike rants and poorly aimed attempts at disrespect, as you simply expose yourself with ever shot, and you know you never wish to be held to account by your neighbors for your posture.

I hope new recruits will not be brain washed into thinking they are heros and the public does not have the rights to voice their opinions.
Again I just thank God you are no longer on the job.

Like Ryan said, you contradict yourself, for the sake of covering for the embarrassment you brought upon yourself. What does my challenging your ridiculous call for a stop and frisk policy, independent from the one prescribed in the constitution, have to do with brain washing, or cops "thinking they are heroes" at the expense of anyone's right to an opinion? You are entitled to an opinion, even when it demonstrates you a contempt motivated fool. You spoke of invoking a policy that gives police the right to stop people beyond what the law already prescribes, yet you've yet to define in any specificity what that criteria would be. What would keep you from doing that, and where exactly would the hero worship be in a request for clarity on your part? You have a right to your opinions, just not your own facts, which is why you desperately seek to marginalize the significance of facts. Point is you don't care about facts, or offering constructive opinions about anything. For you, this is just a forum to air your contempt, envy and apparently prove how clueless you are.

I would be open to making changes to laws giving permission beyond what the law currently prescribes in certain areas and conditions.
It is very simple...
Now i will prepare to be ridiculed and told how it can't be done...
Called a racist...bigot....coward...fool...

Had you any intention to actually address crime, you'd know that the ability to stop, question and frisk people who draw suspicion on themselves by virtue of where they are, and the conditions at the time they are there, already exists. It's called police work, and cops do that everyday of the week. So yes. your self assessment is most likely accurate, justifying your belief that you should be ridiculed.

Then perhaps we should call it a "Do Your Job Policy" instead of "stop and frisk"

Who but you is suggesting that the police in this community are not doing their jobs? Your obvious contempt for law enforcement isn't evidence of any shortcoming on their part. The job of the police is not to violate the rights of those you arbitrarily deem unworthy of the protections extended to all people under our constitution. There is a mechanism for dealing with criminals that works well for those who know how to apply it legally. It's why they're educated to understand those legal provisions before they're deployed on our streets. The police instincts required to effectively apply that education comes later as the result of training and experience. It's not born of contempt or your apparent envy of those who take these risks.

Blah,blah excuses blah blah accusations blah blah rights blah blah I am so smart blah blah can't do this blah blah can't do that ... Sound familiar...you guessed it David the retired know it all

Yes, because your offerings have been so substantive that we need to defer to your expertise and intellectual depth of your opinions. All this while hiding in a public message board defending otherwise indefensible positions. I don't need to know much, to know more than you apparently do. Don't appreciate the complex beauty of our constitution? I'm sure that there are other nations around this world that would embrace your way of thinking. You have no right to ignore and make up facts to suit your weak arguments, and not be challenged. That has nothing to do with anyone thinking they're smarter than you, it simply means that they're smart enough not to passively accept your nonsense. No one has to accuse you of what you regularly demonstrate here, as we still wait for the criteria you hope the WOPD would employ for your stop and policy. Thou protest too much, and it shows.

Ah...blah blah blah blah...the same old story...we are heros...you don't understand...blah blah...no you can't...blah blah...not fair...me me me...whine whine....

Tom,

If you had anything intelligent to offer the discussion, you would have by now. What you proffer above, speaks volumes.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Just keep him away from the new pups so they don't pick up the same bad habits..
Enjoy your retirement!

Bad habits like following state law, abiding by the constitution and not judging people by their complexion, as you make painfully apparent is your sole criteria. I'm sure the town can do without the sorts of problems that could be heaped upon her as the result of the legal actions she would likely experience taking your painfully flawed advice. Enjoy the contempt and apparent cowardice it requires you to protect.

David, well played.
Textbook use of the Race card.

Actually it's a textbook use of the facts. It's painfully you hope to pretend they are not facts, and that your responses aren't equally as transparent. As previously asked by more than myself, where's your criteria for the stop and frisk policy you claim the WOPD needs to implement to "get in the face" of the criminal element? Your repeated refusal to directly address that simple question speaks volumes when considered within the context of the cryptic statements you have already made.

Thou protest too much.

We all know that the conversation is over once the Race card is played.
Again David, well played

What we know is that is where your position began and ends. It's why you refuse to articulate your stop and frisk criteria. Your real issue is that you're not fooling anyone. Race is only a barrier to free discussion when it's your only position.